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Lost in the Labyrinth

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I am surprised I knew about this report 3 months after its publishing! I am the kind of person who does not normally miss this type of reports. I was certainly trying to find my way through the Labyrinth when it was first published. I am still lost though but there might be some end to the endless paperwork that I started last year in order to moved here.

For those considering Australia, this report is worth the time you spend in reading it. I still say the grass is greener over here down under

http://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/House_of_Representatives_Committees?url=haa%2Foverseasdoctors%2Freport.htm

Your Comments and Discussions are welcomed. Also If I can be of any help, I am happy to do so. I have been here for almost 6 months now

Regards

NY

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Hope the grass continues to remain green!

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thanks for that NY.. now i havent yet read it.. will do so when get back to my room..

however, having read it, what is the gist of it ? are they going to make the registration process even more complicated than it is or are they recommending simplifying it ?

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The recommendations look promising. Hopefully towards a more simple one and eliminating the need to submit the same documents more than once. There are also some recommendations about decreasing the period for Moratorium. Are you in Australia yet SagirParkar?

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How much salary for psychiatrists in Australia or US?

Any ideas? Recently Australia dollar is becoming stronger and almost equal to US dollar value and it makes it a good place to move to.

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nope.. have sent my paperwork for the Competent Authority Pathway... money's been taken out but i havent heard anything from the AMC yet.. if the certificate doesnt arrive by end of next week, i will drop them an email and ask about the progress..

i had my verification process done in 2008 when i was planning to move that time, they have an EICS number for me but i am still surprised as to the time it is taking at the moment..

in any case, i still have about a year in my hand.. so hopefully things will fall in place by then.. any recommendations on region for prospective jobs ? i have a friend in Gold Coast and he has asked me to look at Queensland as a higher priority..

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I am in Victoria. Queensland has probably the highest pay rates. It would be good if you can cope with the heat and if you have some social network there. It depends on many factors so I am not able to help you which state is better. I do like Victoria for living but prefer NSW for fun and holidays.

You will notice from the report I posted that the Competent Authority Pathway seems to be the least complicated one. AHPRA and AMC have acknowledged that the pathway is working well and many people progress to general registration. My application in 2008 took about 10 weeks. Yours should not take that long as they are much quicker these days.

I take it you do not have CCT/CESR yet? If you do or will get them before moving, it is probably worth applying for the Specialist pathway as well. You can be on more than one pathway at a time.

Good Luck

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unlike NY i don't see any end to the paperwork here but I am enjoying the experience so far.

Its been 5 months in Melbourne and I feel I have gained a lot more than last 1-2 years in UK.

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There won't be any end to the paperwork anytime soon Neeraj. It will take them ages to work on the recommendations. I am not sure what you meant by gained a lot? You mean knowledge/experience or money wise?

I think I haven't gained any of them but there are a number of positives that are unrelated to the career. Good luck and keep in touch

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NY.. thanks for the input as always man.. much appreciated..

i dont have much of a network in Queensland apart from my college friend who is in Gold Coast.. he told me that they are building a new 700-odd bed hospital too.. besides, he suggested that i take future prospects into consideration too while choosing the region.. but that will happen eventually.. at the moment, i am patiently waiting for the CAP certificate..

i dont have a CCST/CESR and am not interested in it at all... just want to get out of this system here.. become too boring and political for my taste... i was informed that with my experience (about 9 years) i can get a Snr Reg post.. i dont know how much to rely on that information but i am not getting my hopes too high.. so let's see what happens !

will drop you a line if i have any specific questions... and thanks again for helping out !

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Yes you can definitely get a Senior Registrar post. It might be an advantage that you are not a Specialist indeed. You will join RANZCP training pathway rather than Exemption Pathway. Exams for the later are modified and the pass mark is higher. The pass rate is not good at all for exemption candidates. You can get your UK training accredited towards RANZCP training here.

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cool.. that sounds good to me... i was hoping for the Registrar post as well.. but was keeping expectations realistic as i didnt want to get my hopes too high.. but if you say i can get in the training scheme as a Reg, then i'll prepare accordingly.. as for UK training, it will be good if i can get my 3 years exempted from the total scheme.. that way i dont have to start at a junior house officer level...

btw, what does is the Reg role like over there ?

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I am not sure if any body has had their UK training recognised but it does look like another load of paper work. My training director in NZ thinks that it is likely that you may get 2-3 years off (provided you have done your psychotherapy long case) if you have MRCPsych if not 1 year atleast. It costs $3k to apply to the Royal College. It is interesting you have mentioned about the new hospital that is being built. It is supposed to be opening in 2016 with 450 beds and to reach 700 beds in the following 5 years. Did you express your interest to the Queensland health board? The application period closed recently?

Have you clarified about the clause AMC has for Competent Authority pathway? that internship or foundation year should have been completed in the UK? I am not sure what your situation is. I did my internship in India. I did apply through CAP last year and it took about 3 months for them to issue ASC but it is mentioned in the advanced standing certificate that I have not done internship in the UK and the Medical Board may require 1 year internship expereince prior to granting full registration. This confusion has been there for a long time. Of course your situation may be different.

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i didnt know the details of the hospital but was told about it by my friend..

i did clarify with the AMC as that is what it says on their website but when i discussed with the lady over the phone (no point exchanging emails) she said it would be fine as i had the PLAB and then completed atleast one year under supervision as a trainee in the UK.. it was ONLY after that that i sent out the application for CAP.

i think we are in the same boat, as did some of my college mates when they moved to Australia.. none of them had to do internship here or in Oz as far as i know.. so i am hoping i wont have to do anything like that either.

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Good luck. Have you already applied for a job, at what level are you looking at?

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thanks man ! :)

not applied yet as i want to have the ASC in my hand... am in talks with MMR at the moment and they have advised (as have some friends of mine) that i should be eligible for registrar post based on experience.. so that is the path i will opt for.. dont fancy starting all the way from scratch again... i have no problems preparing and appearing for the FRANZCP exams within 2 years of starting work there, if i am eligible..

there is the BMJ career fair in October too, so i'll be attending that to glean some more info and make a few more contacts.. i want to make sure that i am not missing out on any key information before i take the plunge - both financially and physically.

if there is anything you can add, it will be very helpful and much appreciated..

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I have started from year 1 in NZ. I completed UK training in 2001 but didn't clear part 2. There are lot of requirements at every stage by the Royal College here. You can take Part 1 at any stage. Let me know if you need any further info.

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sure will ! and thanks for the offer..

i will keep you, Krishna and NY updated about how things develop... and if i need any info, will definitely drop you guys a line..

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I'm still confused . I've got MRCPsych and will hopefully get my CCT in 2014. Do I still have to do the Aussie exam? And what level would I be applying for? Any ideas ma amigos

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if i am reading the current pathways right, it looks as if you might have to sit some exam...

however, they might consider a waiver if you can demonstrate that you do do not watch soppy tv soaps ! :P

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Peechoo, you have every right to be confused. We (British trained Psychiatrists working in Aussie) too are confused. I think Labyrinth is a good title for the report attached on the first post.

To answer your question, yes you have to sit the exams. They usually exempt you from written if you have CCT but you will be required to sit the Exemption Candidate Clinical Exam.

HOWEVER, RANZCP announced a new route called Substantial Comparability Pathway which is currently being piloted. This route does not need exams and involves Work Place Based Assessments for 12 months. If you have MRCPsych and CCT and did ALL your training in the UK, you will be Eligible.

To complicate things further, as it can't be that simple, this route is only being piloted. They are limiting the number of applicants on each Phase. Although I was eligible in my initial application, I could not be accepted into this Pathway simply because they have reached the initial 20 applicant limit.

If you are talking about 2014 then you never know what is going to happen. The House of Representative recopmmends that exams for the substantially comparable specialists should only be considered if they fail WPBAs. RANZCP has difficulties in finding the resources to open this Substantial Comparability mainly due to the lack of assessors!!!! Just wait and see when you finish your training.

If you definitely have plans of moving after CCT, it will be a good idea to come for a year or so and get this accredited towards your CCT. By doing so you will increase your chances and also can get some sort of unrestircted (General) registration. Finally you will serve more time in your 10 year moratorium which is currentl;y being objected by many.

Read the 300 Page report( over the next year or two) so that you can understand the system here for IMGs. Imagine I had to learn about all this in a few months while a few of my applications and pathways are pending anjd changing !!!!

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Thank you ever so much NY_

sagz soaps my @&&) lol

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NY..

guess what.. i emailed the AMC regarding the Advanced Standing Cert yesterday as it had been over 2 months since i applied for the Competent Authority Pathway... and i wanted to know where it had progressed to.. to my surprise they replied that they had sent it on the 6th of June itself !!!

i guess it got waylaid in the post or something... so have asked them to send it again if possible.. however, i reckon this means i can now look for Reg level jobs under the pathway... hoping that i manage to get my hands on a copy of that certificate so i can go ahead with AHPRA registration and also job search !!

countdown has now officially begun ! :)

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Good Luck. I have to say that coming here before finishing your training is far much better than coming as a specialist.

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thanks.. gave up on the training long time ago.. completed 3 years of SHO training and then gave up on the exams after 3 failed attempts in the clinicals..

looks like the postal department (either side of the globe and equator) has truly lost the certificate.. so have asked AMC to send another one..

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