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I DON\'T WANT TO DO THE THEORY AGAIN AND AGAIN!!!

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>:( The fact that we have to take the theory everytime we fail the clinicals is tooooooo stressful to think about.It increases the anxiety about failing the clinicals.I spoke to the college about this issue and they said they don't have any plans of changing the current system which is not very encouraging.I was wondering if all of us could represent this to the college in some way-maybe by writing letters about the agony of the MRCPsych candidates.Do you think we can make the college at least consider changing the system by our perseverance?-or do you think that may be counter productive to our results?!!? ???Let me know about what you people think.

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I totally agree with you.I would hate reading for theory again, and i don't think reading for mcq and critical appraisal is good for your health.

I have been thinking about this for a while now, but i don't know how to go about it.

I think ours may be the only speciality which makes you sit for the theory again.I know from friends in peds and medicine that they can give clinicals 4 times if they pass theory.

May be if all the candidates(or at least most of them) sitting for the exam write to the Royal College they might have to consider it.

What do others think about it?

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I agree. The current system is ridiculous and unfair! If we could come up with a petition and then each can get as many signatures as possible from SHOs and Consultants in their rotation then the Royal College would have to reconsider changing the current system!

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Yes!!!And that can be done simultaneously by all of us.We have to make sure the letter is polite and pleasant!!!!!

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You'll have a chance very soon to feedback your thoughts to the Royal College. Today I'm putting the finishing touches to an online survey of the revision methods and exam experience of exam candidates and it will include the opportunity to tell the College what they are doing right and what they are doing wrong  :)

Hopefully there'll be a good response to the survey from Superego Cafe Forum members.

The survey will be online very soon - watch this space! You'll all receive an email with the details.

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i agree. it is a waste of time. It gives one a feeling that the college is not really interested in us progressing reasonably in our career. In the GP exams u give both ur theory and practicals before u get the results of either . U then have 2 resit only the part that u failed. It seems as though they want 2 control the number of candidates that pass and they are not confident about the level of competence that would satisfy them 2 promote an SHO to SPR. I feel thay should make each aspect of both the parts rigorous and of high quality and then pass whosoever passes that standard rather than making it a relative pass. OR they can keep it as a relative pass but tougher exams so that they can allow us 2 resit only the aspects v fail in.

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Absolutely! And I don't think most candidates would mind paying the entire fee (even if taking only clinics)-so really the Royal College has nothing to lose.

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i am for it totally with u guys.will take a break if i fail.

i think we need to do something regarding the theory.

maybe i should have approached george bush.but i guess am too late--hes just left.

does anyone have tonys phone number???/ ;)

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The thought of having to do all that theory again is just too depressingh for word. Bearing in mind it is a very real possibility for me as i totally shafted myself in the PMPs...

I would just resit in April as the thought of being in the same position in twelve months time is pretty crap. It would be lovely if the College was in line with other soecialties but if they are going to wise up I am sure it will take years and wont be relevant to me.

Any efforts that this website makes though, would think would be a superb idea.

Elvis :)

Was I the only one that needed prompting in my PMPs? ::)

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Dear all

i got a L.D. patient for my long case and she insisted on eating thro the interview as well as in the observed part.worse was the accompanying support worker could give even less info than the pat. after recovering from dismay and trying to get some clue for the 1st 15 min, i tried to get all the headings in but with little content.iwish i remembere dto say the informant had no clue either.observed i.v i elicited mood symptoms o.k. but re psychotic symptoms!!! i t was a nightmare.one was good examiner and other looked the scary type.they asked loads of questions on invest, treatment etc and capacity.i feel my case presentationwas worse than in part 1.hope they have mercy and somehow pass.re pmp i did well i hope

1.severe wt loss assessment and management in a 17 yr old

2.nurse with ptsd

3.24 year old man behaving aggressively and making sexually inappropriate remarks to receptionst in your hospital

I hope things went well for all from the cafe.take care

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THE MRCPsych EXAMS - A SURVEY OF EXAM CANDIDATES

November 2003

Dear All,

Now that the MRCPsych exams are over for another few months, I think it is the right time to survey all the Superego Café Forum members on their views and suggestions. The plan over the next few days is to contact all the members by email to request their participation. That's over 1300 people!

There is a survey for both parts of the exam. You only need to complete the survey if you sat an exam this year. The survey is anonymous but you can only complete the survey once.

There are questions on the following topics:

1 textbooks you found useful

2 journals you found useful

3 revision courses you attended

4 websites you found helpful

5 revision techniques you used

6 your views on the written paper(s)

7 your views on the osce or pmps/long case [optional]

8 your views on feedback reports [optional]

9 your suggestions for improving the exams [optional]

10 your questions to the Chief Examiner [optional]

As you can see, the survey has questions on a wide range of topics which should take 10-15 minutes to answer. Hopefully there'll be lots of replies. The results will be forwarded to the Royal College.

Please complete the survey. You can find it at this link:

http://www.superego-cafe.com/survey/

The closing date is 14 December 2003.

If you know anyone else who is not a Forum member but has sat an exam, please forward them the link.

Kind regards,

Gurpal

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Hi friends,

I agree with u guys.I 've appeared for the clinicals now, 3 rd consecutive time!!! All these occasions,I was stressing myself too much for the theory .God's grace I passed everytime.Last time,I discussed this issue of resitting for the theory, if u fail clincals with My tutor.I gave the examples from RCP& RCS examinations, where u r allowed to sit for the clinicals for next 2 years once u pass the theory.I understood that he took it to the collge meetings & had some informal chats with the big heads, who were not for this idea.(RCPsych is wiser than other colleges!!).They said it could cause examination administration anarchy.One of the comments told to him, was that'this exam tests theoretical & clinicals skills at a single point'????.I'm sure we all know , psychiatry is updated every single day!!!.I don't know how long the profession will be in state of denial& pose as if it is more than rocket science.Heart to heart we all know abt it.

I discussed this issue with one of the Deputy Registrar's of RCPsych informally in the SASPA ( Associate Specialist&Staff Grade Psych Association) meeting held in Birmingham months ago.He welcomed the idea.I thing, we need to put our feet down now & take this issue further.If webmaster could help the candiates who suffer in silent, this would be one of the best efforts of life time achievement.My understanding is most overseas candidates suffer because of this clause in examination regulations.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed now for the clinicals results..Webmaster,Once again a 'Big Thanks' for this effort of brining us all under this umbrella to echo our voices.All the best.

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webmaster,,,listen...... you deserve a big thank you for all your efforts.

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I have already expressed my feelings on the &quot:lol:ouble or Quits' exam system in the survey. I definitely do NOT want to be practising essays and critical appraisal again in just over one months time.

Elvis, I got a few prompts in my PMPs, and I had no answers to a couple of them, apart from repeating things I had already said.

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Osiris

I got more than a couple of prompts old boy! I think the examiners spent more time talking than I did (hard to imagine I know). I totally agree with you - I cannot bear to think about practising critical appraisal in 4 weeks time. I think I am still in denial though. Hope you had a good weekend break - not much to see in Bangor I'm afraid so I left pretty sharpish.

Be strong. Walk tall etc

Elvis :lol:

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Every time I tell someone that because I failed in 1 part of the exam (IPA) I have to do everything again, they find it difficult to understand. Psychologists, OTs, Nurses, the secretary, the porter... They all say it doesn't make any sense and it's ridiculous and unfair! I donno what logic the royal college has! Even worse I can't understand why people don't complain... Why don't we all write to the royal college with our consultant and clinical tutor support to change this stupid rule? BTW what do you call this rule? Overvalued idea? Obsession? Or preoccupation with rules?

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BTW... People who like me failed this exam... Shall we 'come out' to each other? Cos when I read the messages on the forum, I think am I the only one who failed this exam? Maybe we can form a little 'support group' and learn from each other's experiences and learn about the 'donts' of PartII. I would be interested to hear from people who failed the Clinicals once or more and how they found the strength and energy to read critical appraisal again! Many Thanks. Hani

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Hani

I couldnt agree more. Despite best efforts I failed the exam too. I was surprised it was by one point on the IPA as I thought my PMPs were hellish and i ended up passing these.

I have been popping in as usual to the cafe and it has been a v quiet place inhabited by only a few who have passed!. I would like to say Happy Christmas and well done to those who passed but lots of love to those of us who wont be having such a relaxing Xmas. Im going to try not to have a blue blue christmas as the song says and am not thinking about it til after the New Year.

Joyeux Noel tout le monde

Elvis ;)

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I also agree that the whole setup is ludicrous and demoralising. I also wrote after passing the written and long case quite well but failing PMPs but was told nothing would change. Quite apart from the stress to ME (and my long suffering husband who puts up with my stress and bad moods!), I will be attending a PT II course AGAIN (1 day per week ) and taking lots of study leave for revision (again). I will have less time to see patients because I am engaged in trying to pass an exam that I have already passed twice AGAIN! If they are saying that PMPs are the bit I can't do, why can't I just concentrate on that? After the whole palaver of the written, I feel too exhausted to give as much energy to the clinical.

Also it has such a huge impact on your self esteem to fail this exam. ???

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hello my dear friend,i strongly empathise with you.i failed the clinical in the last 2 attempts only marginally if it is at all a cancelation for you. something must be done to our ruthless stupid royal college to change it is mentality.i think all those who feel strongly about it should express our veiws to the rc hopefully they will do something about it,if it is not for us it will be for our offsprings generations.

i agree with you it is quite demoralising.

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I have passed theory two times in the past failing in long case and this time I failed in essay. I got only 4 in essay. In last four attempts excluding this one my essay marks were as follows

first attempt 12

second attempt 14

third attempt 10

fourth attempt 10 and

fifth attempt 4

Its so demolarlizing and in all my friends and people i know of in Ireland I am the only one to fail essay and that too badly

And you know what was the essay

it was Question No 2

I just cannot believe it how it happened. The feedback was even more ridiculous and believe me it could be sent to any person who failed the essay - it was too general and circumstantial.

Yes written should be separate from teh clinics.

I have to sit again for another six months to take this stupid examination. I wish I had chosen some other speciality.

Dr Hussain

Ireland

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Dear Dr. Hussein ,

reading your post I could really feel your frustration and hurt . I am so sorry for you . If it is any consolation , I got my exam after a long break in studies after repeatedly failing on essay and mcqs 4 times .

Why dont you give it a break for a year or so , relax , enjoy other things and come back to it later . ::)

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Dear Dr. Hussain,

There is bound to be some zeal and enthusiasm if you fail this exam once to fight again. From the third attempt onwards it becomes so bland to study the same stuff again and again.

We got to do some thing about this. The reason you have failed this time is not because you messed up the  essay. It is understood that it has been corrected by an examiner/examiners who usually looks into the royal college guidelines strictly and marks the paper.Iam sure they are advised to use their own judgement depending on the guidelines to give overall marks. Most of the examiners have some sense to see the logic at the end of the  day and with few references either give you a borderline pass or fail. The essay you wrote was  not something like you have to a take a side  as such and if you happened to take the wrong side then you get marks like 4. For instance 'should MHA be banned' If you have taken the side of banning it for good without any justification then probaly you get 4. After having written the essay so many times in the past by now you must have attained  some maturity  to write the reasons for bed blocking  and the suggestions to improve.

You got  to appeal to the royal college explaining repeating the theory again is stupid and thats the opinion of the most of the students who are taking the exam. Royal college needs feedback from all corners you are one of those victims who will continue to get mixed messages from feedbacks how to tackle an essay . It is not a good idea to take a break but continue to prepare. If you are taking a break then please  utilize the time to fight your case with RC. I am sure the exam will be split into two in near future with so many trainees feeling that it so absurd to repeat the theory again. Let that start with you.Take this opportunity to convey that repeating the theory doesnot make any body any better because you are not being evaluated for the same syllabus/subject but repeatedly assessed in differrent topics by differrent examiners. Luck factor seems to play an important role in this exam. When there are so many such factors and with such a narrow dividing line  in passing and failing (if you happened to be an overseas doctor then you got to give 100%  in the clinicals to get 10). Students should not be subjected to such discrepencies and luck factor. One way of passing this exam in first or second attempt   is to split this exam into two. Go ahead we are all with you.

thanks  

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feel sorry for childpsych.

i agree with the veteran that u need to take a break so as to take time off and maybe come back with full flow and beat the crap out of the rc

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