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Hi

I'm currently in higher training but previously worked as a locum staff grade for many years

After training I intend to return to full time locum work

During my time as a staff grade there was always plenty of fairly local work

I was wondering if anyone has any experience of doing full time locum consultant work (GA). Is there plenty of work? Is the work long-term? How likely is it to get a post in your region? What are the typical pay rates?

I'm also thinking of maybe doing a combination of staff grade and consultant work - any do this?

 

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Good Afternoon Dr, 

I have come across your message, and wanted to speak with yourself in more detail. 

I wanted to find out a bit more about your situation: where you are based, and if you are looking for community or inpatients and discuss pay rates etc.

What would be the your best contact number, so we can discuss this in more detail.  

My contact details are 01277 212 797.

Hayley @ ProMedical.

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Hi

The locum market is very good at the moment and there is a steady flow of work at both consultant and staff grade level for general adult.

There is a mixture of short term and longer term vacancies available. Most of our locums do work on a longer term basis and tend to be in locums of 3 months plus but we are able to help for short term availability also.

I am not sure where in the country you are based but we have contracts nationwide so I am sure would be able to assist with finding something local. If you are able to let me know where you are based and provide a contact number I am happy to talk through in more detail what we can offer close to your home.  My direct details are psychiatry@athona.com or 01277 245856

With regards to working as both a specialty doctor and consultant I have locums who do this and it doesn’t cause any issues. In fact it opens up the options available to them. This is generally the case with locum work, the more flexible you can be the more offers there will be available to you.

I hope this helps, if you would like to talk more please get in touch.

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Hi Hayley & Athona rep. ,

Further to this post, just to mention that I'm in similar position and wanted to check if you get any Locum Consultant work for Liaison jobs as well or its just jobs in Community or In-patient settings?

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Hello Dr, 

 

Thank you for your reply. 

 

Yes Dr we can get these kind of jobs. 

 

Could you let me have your Contact number so we can discuss this in more detail?

Thank you. 

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Liaison not easy to get as tends to be part time.

Agencies will often say they have loads of jobs, but when you ask what and where specifically they won't tell. Beware of giving contact details, they will spam you ruthlessly. 

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I have to agree with Zoran - unfortunately there are some agencies in the market claiming they have a number of jobs all around the UK, promising they can find you jobs that don't exist.  Having started the Psychiatry desk at Athona, and being one of the market leaders I take great pride in ensuring my team knows what is going on in the market, with the advice and information given being current and correct.  

Athona definitely do not spam anyone who is registered with us, as we take the time to understand fully what each of our candidates are looking for.  Psych5 I will send you a PM, and if you want to reply to that with your details then I can get one of my team to speak with you.  We have recently filled a Consultant Liaison post based in the East Midlands where we are the sole supplier.  This was a f/t post, 40hrs per week for 1 month to begin (with a view to extend).

Hope this helps.

Steve

Steven Anthony

Operations Director - Athona

01277 245866

 

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Hi Steve

With the proposed locum cap from next month, whats ur take on it.

 

 

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Yes, and Paul, what are your thoughts?

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So here is the Government's plan

Locum cap by 1 apr 2016

Consultant £75 /hr

Staff Grades 51, SHO in mid 30's

Still not clear if that includes agency 10-20 % recruitment fee.

 

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1st April sounds like an appropriate date.

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Its starts from 23 Nov 2015 with gradual reduction from 1 feb and the last phase is from 1st april........

So even with a proposed rate of 75 for a consultant with 48 weeks work in a year, its  amounting to 135k. There are  loads of consultant job in pvt sector paying lot more than 135k. lets see how many panic and look for substantive NHS jobs.

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I can't see this as a viable option , perhaps more emigration of doctors leading to crisis in recruiting in NHS which heavily relies on agency workforce 

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The recent announcement by the Govt has set many alarm bells ringing.I still think it might not  be viable.

its not clear whether the Govt plans is only for England or whole of UK.I also read under certain circumstances if the trusts cannot afford to recruit doctors the trusts can pay slightly higher, I might be wrong on this.

it will be interesting to see what the Locum agency thinks.

if that's the case , many agency might have lose potentials Locum doctors and the agency might financially struggle as well !!!

intersting times.

 

The quote on £ 3500 per shift is for A and E consultants and anaesthesists, I understand they could be paid upto £130 to £ 150 per hour for weekend on calls.

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Good point Vertigo, Monitor are the regulator for England and not Scotland or Wales. Their respective Assembly governments may try to impose the same restrictions but I've not come across anything yet

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Agencies will not financially struggle, they just won't be as rich as they are now. I think it would be best if hospital locums could work directly with Trusts the same as locum GPs work with practices.

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I've made a couple of posts today about the proposed caps, so won;t rehash them here, but working directly for a hospital is of course currently an option, there is nothing to stop anyone applying for an NHS Locum Consultant position. The problem comes when looking at rates of pay, fundamentally the hospitals do not WANT to employ you directly to save the agency commission at a higher rate than substantive staff. If they did, they run the risk of other staff wanting the same, and their staffing bill goes through the roof. Currently we are as agencies "the oil in the machine" and a convenient scapegoat. If 10% of staff are costing double the amount the NHS staff bill is only 5% higher than a "perfect" system. 

With regards to the original question, there is plenty of work at Locum Consultant level at the moment, Liaison does happen, although obviously rarer than GA community/inpatient. Important to get your AC sorted before you leave if at all possible - The section 12 office and senior colleagues/trainers etc will tell you "Don't worry, once you get Specialist Registration, you can just get in your 1st job" which has an element of truth - but not for Agency Staff! If they need you to have they need you to have AC now - not in 3 months. So get your AC initial course done ahead of time, get the application ready to go off, and get it in the moment  you get your CCT (and don't delay on getting your specialist registration sorted with the GMC!)

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Thanks Paul, That's a decent description. The issue I see about proposed max consultant rate of £75 to agencies, I am not sure how many would like to work on that rate as it won't make any financial sense. 

Even if few agencies are going to be kind and charge only 10%   as previously they tend to charge around 20-25%, the consultant will be working around a rate of £65-67 / hr and that's the best scenario.

 

 

 

 

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Well - if only margins were 20-25%! - If you look at company accounts for leading locum agencies, you will see gross margins around the 10-15% mark, this will of course also include "permanent intro fees" that will make the gross margin look higher (theoretically no cost of sale on an intro!)

However the rates put out by Monitor are due to be phased in to get down to that £75.39 level, to be honest the excrement will have hot the rotating air movement device well before we get to the lowest ratchet. Psychiatry is not the best paid of the locum positions out there (if you were after the most cash, should have trained as a Dermatologist, or Radiologist!) so other departments in Acute sector hospitals will have felt the pressure well before it starts to impact on Psychiatry. Monitor also said in the consultation document that they EXPECT 30% of bookings to be over the "capped rate" if they say that they expect (knowing little about the nitty gritty of what we do) 30% of bookings higher than the capped rate, they realistically probably expect 50% of bookings to be over the rate.

I am certainly not panicking.

 

 

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Hello!


   My name is Morgan Poulin and I am an associate recruiter for Barton Associates. We are a company that assists physicians and physician assistants find locum tenens work. I specifically represent the psychiatry department at the company. I work with my clients to find a position that best fits their availability and desired area of work. A huge benefit of working with an agent like myself, is personal commitment to ensuring that the locum tenens assignment works best for the needs of my client. If you would be interested in speaking with myself for future employment opportunities please contact me at my direct line (860) 789 3151. 
Best Wishes!

 

Barton Associates 
Associate Recruiter 
Address: 1 Corporate Rd. Suite 106, Enfield, CT 06082
Phone: (860) 789-3151
Mobile: (860) 510-8002 

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