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End of MRCPSYCH examination

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does anyone know when the college is planning to finish the Mrcpsych exam? Ive heard that it is relatively soon?

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hi michael!

haven't seen you in the forum for a while or am i wrong? anyway, don't think there is no clear info about the MRCPsych exams yet. 2007?? don't know. i haven't read it anywhere yet

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such things dont come out in newspapers mate , there's a conference in the first week of october for new trainees in psychiatry in london.

Our dean Dr. Dinesh Bhugra ( not sure whether the sirname is right!) is giving a talk on new developments in Training schemes.

I hope Mrcpsych is kept alive!If u guys have news about more developments plz. come on here!

cheers!

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i heard it would be gone by 18 months and that those of us post part 1 and 'experienced' would get some form of recognition for this and wouldnt have to complete the new training scheme from scratch. Have a pretty reliable informant on this.

personally the sooner it goes the better.

its about time we trained similar to USA residency programs

#( I was in a coma for 12 months paranth!)

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ha ha kiddo!

i am not looking for information like this on news papers!!! :lol:

i am already a member of the royal college!!and i'm thinking, definitely i would get to know about this through the royal college letters and also the magazines that royal college sends its memebers!! :P

so may be some of us don't have to hear it from people who are going to the new trainees meetings!!

hopefully the royal college will not keep its members in the dark about changes to the training scheme! if i have to hear about the changes from the new trainees meeting, then shame on the royal college!

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The new career structure for career psychiatrists will be fully operational as of August 2007. Six years of postgraduate training will lead you from the equivalent of today's SHO post to a consultant post. The PMETB do not want any of the Royal Colleges to have assessments methods in place which fail large numbers of doctors (e.g. MRCPsych, MRCP, etc). The RCPsych is looking at the different types of assessments it will be allowed to do during the training period and how much the PMETB will pay them for carrying out those assessments. The majority of the assessments will be carried out in the workplace. OSCE-type exams are here to stay. The format of any written assessments is anyone's guess at the moment. As I understand it, the MRCPsych exams have not been ruled out completely at the moment but are unlikely to carry on in their present form. The new career structure certainly seems much better and fairer than the system we have at present. The curriculum is a very detailed document which should improve training.

Importantly, there will be a transition period for moving doctors from the present career structure to the new one. No-one should lose out and some people will benefit by having their training recognised and get on the ladder towards accreditation. Psychiatrists are strongly advised to continue in training posts. If you take a non-training post, you may find you cannot get on to the new career ladder in 2007 because competition for places on these training schemes from new applicants will be intense. It will be easier to transfer into the new schemes from a pre-existing training post rather than compete for places.

Consultant vacancies are expected to diminish dramatically around 2007 onwards. There will be an artificially inflated number of psychiatrists finishing their training around 2007-2009 (people finishing the old scheme after 6 years plus and people transferring into and finishing the new scheme after just 6 years in psychiatry). Doctors presently doing locum consultant posts are strongly advised to get substantive appointments as soon as possible. Vacancies are also being filled by international fellows, of which there are ?200 in the UK already.

I've got more info - perhaps I'll get round to adding a page on the website later this month...

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Dear Webmaster

Psychiatrists are now being encouraged to apply under Article 14 to get their names on the Specialist Register.

what is not clear is:

1. No of years of experience required?

2. Will the experience as SHOs count?

3. Or will they only look at the quality of experience?

The fees is £700!!!

:-/ :-/ :-/

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I'm still confused how the SPR years will work. Presently I'm not sure whether I want to do forenisc or general adult but would like the option of getting a consultant post in both - presently that would involve dual training but with the new CCT how would it work????

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thanks for the info webmaster, I dont think I would need to attend this conference anymore!

cheers

garam

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Article 14 will lead to award of CCT and this will enable you to apply for a sustantive consultant post in the NHS.But rumour is rife that such people will be junior consultants.

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the royal college website has said about this that the MMC (modernising medical career) cohort of trainess will start in september 2005 and they will enter specialty training in 2007 august.

it said that ther will be a transition from the MRCPsych to the new PMETB taking over from the Royal college but it hasn't clearly said MRCPsych stops then.

it sure will involve people who will join the training in feb2006. it is the end of MRCPsych exams but don't think a clear date is still in their mind.

article 14 will make sure you have an equivalant of the old CCST so then there will be abig rush when the people joining the specialty training in 2007 august finish their training in 2010 or 2011.then consultant posts are likely to became very very static.

currently the intake of overseas consultants without UK experience is contributing to the bottle neck that wil happen soon. SPRs will have their workload increased!!

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i have grave doubts about the PMETB anyway...can't really see them generously dishing out CCTs to everyone who applies with the belief they are eligible. :-/

and if they do, God help those of us stuck 'in transition'!

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hi webmaster

where is the page enlightening us on new career structuring you promised us last month?

gmehta

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dear web master, this is to thank you ,and the great collegues that i discussed with on the super ego cafe while studying for the last exam,i have passed the written paper (part 1),now getting ready for the osce next month.

i would also like to say to those who didnt pass,get over it quickly,and better luck next time. ; :lol:

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I find it amusing to hear that the RCPsyh will do away with the MRCPsych in the future!

Why would they do that?

would they be able to find any similar lucrative source of profit to the profit they are generating from exam candidates in the name of science ?

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I agree with u tab rcpsych will strongly and vehemently resist any attempt to terminate,end or crush the all mighty mrcpsych examination , we  all wait and see but the earlier the end of mrcpsych examination the better for psych trainees :)

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If u look on RCPsych website at the dean's newsletter for September, the current situation is that the MRCPsych will continue, plus there may be some kind of exit assessment at the end. What form it will take, i think is as yet undecided. Will probably change again next month anyhow...

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please write to the Post grad med edu board and make your concerns known about the mrcpsych exams and how we are made repeat the writtens.

i did.

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