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POLL: MRCPsych Exam Pattern

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i fully agree with u..this passing at the same attempt is all rubbish..why dont they see what other colleges are doing and make things fairer

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should the royal college continue to be like a money laundering institute though there is a shortage of psychiatrists. i think it is time for us to get together and let our views known to the royal college.

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Absolutely. The skills needed for the written and clinicals are quite different so being able to pass them separately would make sense. ::)

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two years - same as physicians or is it surgeons or is it the people who refer unconscious patients for 'urgent assessment because they're really psychotic and we can't manage them so get here now......'

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THE 'COLLEGE' is responsible for trainees leaving schemes, and doing GP training instead.

Unfortunately they do not appear to have the insight to realise this.

I am sick of paying examination fees and failing by 0.5%

with no appeal procedures, no looking at previous marks to see if the candidate is showing good breakdown of scores in previous attempts.

Today it cost me 670 euros for the exam. a total waste of money and a ripoff compared to other professional exams.

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I have decided that if the bloody royal college doesn't want me then I will train as a cbt therapist or go to the USA. Really, to be treated with so little respect in terms of the stress the college puts us under has now become intolerable. If I do get through the part II this my second attempt my goal is to get into the college and SHAKE THINGS UP!! I would encourage any of the rest of you who make it thru to do the same. So don't forget this agony, but put it to good use!!!

Lets hope the college lets a decent number of us through as everyone keeps moaning how short they are of Psychiatrists!

Good luck everyone!!!! ::)

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michaelshamrock, I am a GP coming back into psychiatry (am I completely mad?), have just passed part 1, much to my amazement, but I have to say the RCGP is far more on the ball regarding exams - the MRCGP is in module form and there's NO pressure to sit all modules at once.....this greatly reduces the stress of exams and also spreads the cost.....

I agree that the psych college is hardly helping the current recruitment crisis but it will probably take years for our voices to be heard.

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i am very pleased to note that there are a lot of people out there who share the same views about the exam pattern of the rcpsych.

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Hi,

Those of us who had attended the Lily part 2 course at Stratford, had the chance to listen to one of former Chief Examiners of the College.

The point being made was that changing the pattern of exam involved some work by the college and unless there is some pressure on them, they would not be acting on this issue soon.

We were also told that we were to blame in a way, as we were not exerting any pressure on the Collegiate Training Committee (CTC), whose representatives as elected by us.

I feel it is time we, the trainees, got our act together and engaged in some coordinated action, rather than moaning just after the exam and after we get our results.

I think we should be able to do it, but we first have to make people aware of the situation.

By the way, is there someone here who can advise us re. the role of the CTC?

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Hi muthu!

I think you're absolutely right.

All our college representatives should be pushing this issue hard for us.

See: http://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/traindev/trainees/membership.htm for your local rep.

I would also advise writing to Julian Beezhold, Chair, who I know to be very helpful.

Another issue altogether is the election process and function of our 'representatives'...

The Admiral

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I hundred percent agree that teh written and the clinical examinations of Part 2 should be split. For example in USA the examination of Board of Psychiatry consists of Part 1 and Part 2 ; former is just an MCQ PAPER OF 650 MCQS and Clinical is the separate examination which is held on different dates than the Part 1 examination. Plus the result of Part 1 which is the written exam remains valid for at least three years. So why here is that we have to resit the written Part 2 examination again if we fail clinicals. The last time I had passed PMP and failed IPA and the reason in the feedback was that I did not do proper risk assessment. I accept that but why was I forced to repeat the theory again.

One should also see that in MRCP examinations after the written you have three attempts in two years. In fact if one sees carefully it should be in these examns where they can be asked to resit written examination again should they fail the clinical and the reason is that you tend to forget the medical facts sooner than the what you learn about general and specialist psychiatry where it is more of your opinion and evidence based.

So Royal College please please spare us of this torture of repeating Part 2 written examination if one fails the clinical examination.

I am waiting for my clinical exam result next Friday. Let us see what happens

Dr Hussain

Ireland

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Thank you 'Admiral' for the link to the CTC. Thinking about this issue, everyone is affected by this, right from the College, in not having enough psychiatrists, to the the trusts, the consultants and SAS, to the trainees.

Considering this, I am surprised at the paucity of interest in this!

Or is it possible that people do not have an idea re. how to proceed or what to do.

There are hundreds of members in this site. Even if 400 or 500 of us write to the college requesting them to review the current policy, we should get a response.

The numbers I have suggested are not difficult as there more than that many members in this site alone.

55 to 60% of us fail the exams. If each trainee or potential exam candidate thinks about the months of studying, when they retake the written exams, that can be avoided, I am sure they will be spurred into action.

Can we draft a letter and upload onto this site so that people can just download the letter and send a copy to the College?

Can the webmaster and others please comment this?

I am sure we can do this.

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The current news are the Royal College is actively considering to do away with the number of attempts at the clinical examination for Part II and also to seperate the written and clinical examinaiton of Part 2 examination. Also under consideration are that those people who had availed their five attempts at Part 2 Clinical Examination would be able to sit in the exam provided they pass Part 1 again. This is for those candidates who have already availed their five attempts before the new rule comes in force.

Hussain

Ireland

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Nice to know that most of us are tired of the college and it's never tiring desire to collect our hard earned money twice a year.

Please remember those of us thatr are taking the part 1 exam too as you write this petition or letter.

Thanks

Rosie

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mrcpsych exam pattern needs to change,part 1 and part 2 written exams should be valid for at least 2yrs, and the clinical examination results should be available the following day like most of the other specialties.

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I donot think that this will work .

mind you,if you are not required to retake the written after failing the clinicals,this means that less money is paid to the college.

the RCPsych will continue with its money generating behaviour , using the exam,unless the government is pressurised to put an end to this.

the challange is how to alert the government to what is going on in the college?

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i agree totally with TAb.

The health service minister has no idea why Psychiatrists opt out of training and she has no idea we have to take exams again like little school children.

I advise writing to Tom thorpe at the PMEB and ask him what plans he has to put an end to the repeating of a written exam already passed.

If the PMEB wants to take over postgrad training it has to be the same among all colleges.

SO WRITE TO HIM HE HAS EMAIL!!!!

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Written results have come out today. Myself and several of my friends who failed in the clinical last time, have all passed the theory exam. One really wonders what the Royal College is trying to prove here. Why waste the time of several people who have proved themselves in the theory bit, by making them do it again?Why not give us at least 2 years to get through the clinical?That way at leat we can concentrate on improving our clinical skills and go more prepared for the exam, rather than waiting for the results of the theory and then trying our best in the 3 weeks before the clinicals.

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