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SPR Banding

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Does anyone know the range of spr banding. Is it better in england compared to wales?

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Yeah.. If you are a member of the BMA you should have received the new Junior Doctors Guide 03/04 which has the SPR banding and salary scales... Otherwise look on above link. Seems pretty shitty to me btw. I'd like to hear from SPR's how they survive seeing as though it looks like the average SHO would have to take a significant pay cut. Locums? Standing on a street corner wearing fishnets? Selling Prescriptions and Sicknotes and Viagra over the internet? Or just living in Poverty?

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Yes prepare to take a pay cut , sell your SHO funded BMW and cut down on the short breaks to the continent. At least as they cut down SHO rotas to shift work and banding moves to 1A through out the country the days of the consultant and SpR having to borrow money from the SHO to buy a cup of coffee will soon be over. Now we will simply have to do without!

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Of course the basic pay is protected and you move onto the SpR scale at the next point above but you still tend to take a cut in the on-call pay.

For consolation think of... on-call from home, rarely visiting A+E, a higher proportion of core psychiatry, research days, special interests... ;)

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Yeah come on guys, quality of life is so much better now, remember the bad old days of 1 in 3/1 in 4 on call when we all earned £££££s but were too tired to spend it?

As a new SpR I've taken a pay cut but after only a few weeks I can say categorically that there are far more positives than negatives in my new lifestyle! fully agree with Number 6!

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i agree with both 6 & timtam,we can`t expect alot of money when doing on call on sofa watching tv (sorry sho`s).possibilities of locuming is limitted as an spr anyway.

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I am working as a Staff Grade and am still looking for a SPR post. Will I get my salary protection, or will I be given the same scales as SHO's moving on to Spr level??

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Salary protection it is, all the way ! (As far as I know)

In fact, a commonly used trick to boost your salary going from SHO to SpR is to do a bit of Staff Grading first - sometimes you can jump an increment point

;)

( I suppose I should point out that I have no special knowledge about this and its probably worth checking with the BMA before getting into a mega-fight with your trust )

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I think that to do this you need to take a substantive staff grade post for six months. I have been a staff grade for a couple of years now and this will certainly help me when it comes to banding. However, if I did a locum between now and my SpR post starting, my pay would not be protected as the locum would count as a break in service so I would go on to the SpR pay scale. (this is what I sort of understand from my discussion with the BMA)

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Thank you Number 6 and Amygdala for your comments.

Fortunately, I am in a substantive post and without a break for the last 5 years, so i assume my salary scale will remain protected.

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I am really worried !

I have been a Staff Grade doc for 5 years and have just accepted an SpR Job in Lonodn. Medical staffing from my new trust have told me that my salary would be cut by some 10K but that it would be made up by a 1:8 on call rota which attracts 50% of your annual pay .

I got the feeling that they were making up their own minds about what they would pay me and also that they could not answer my question about what would happen in a later placement if my on calls dropped to a say 1:12 , what would happen to my salary ?

Could anyone enlighten me about this and what should I do ? Should I not accept such a huge pay drop given that I am hearing about things like substantive staff grade posts mean that you get to remain on your current salary.

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Your basic salary (10 sessions) should be protected if you have been in a subsatntive post. This then becomes your basic Spr salary and the banding is added to this. TALK TO THE BMA they are very good on this sort of stuff.

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8) 8)Amygdyla is right, your pay including discretionary points is protected whether you are applying for consultant or spr posts. speak to Bma, they are very helpful. :'(

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thanks for the advice .

My worry is that my salary has been above the top SpR pay for at least 5 years . The new trust have said that they cant pay me over and above the top SpR pay .

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:-[ that is rubbish, make sure you have your number in hand before you create a racket

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:o many consultants retrain in diif specialties and their pay is protected, mention whitley, BMa ect..

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Actually I called the BMA today and spoke to a very helpful young woman who quoted from the article TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF SERVICE paragraph 132 .

this paragraph apparently talks about protected basic salary when swapping from one grade to another . The BMA person told me that it is not correct for them to suggest supplementing my salary with on call banding . She suggested that if they are unable to protect my basic salary that they must provide a written reason .

I thought of writing a letter to the medical staffing at the new Trust with the above information sooner rather than later . I have signed a job offer and if it improper for a candidate to withdraw at this stage surely this must work both ways ?

I dont want to wait till I start the job and then panic whether I will get my basic salary or not

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my pay is also above top spr bracket but it still has to be protected.

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Hi,

Ur basic pay will be protected..They 've done it in my trust as follows..They fixed me in year 1 SpR pay as my annual pay@ rest they added as 2X Pay protection-Org..Adding the basic & 2 protectection comes to my original basic during my Asso specialist grade..One thing I heard is in the years of your Spr training period, you are not entiltled to get the increment as already you are well above the normal SpR pay..

For those passed Part II,if they 've time I'd advise them to a middle grade job for an year..to get the higher pay..

Good luck..

Sathish

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8) 8)Dear Samy, that went right over my head, how does it work for example; your pay was 50000 as an

associate specialist.....

Edinburgh recent ads even quote a maximum they will offer to Spr,so only the very young can apply. :'( :'( :'(

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