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SpR  Jobs in Gen Adult Psy

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What do people think about the current scenario of SpR jobs in General Adult Psychiatry ?

I've been applying for past 4 months since doing my Part 2 in Spring this year.....Been shorlisted only for one and was unfortunately unsuccessful on that occassion.

I thought I had a reasonable chance to get an SpR post as my consultnant always said that I was a good candidate.

I have some research experience....publications + teaching exp etc etc etc etc........but still it's not clicking

I feel completely despondent when I closely watch the current trends..........people have been grumbling about there being so many vacancies at the consultant level and getting consultants from overseas under International Fellowship Scheme but not increasing NTNs in GenAdult Psy to give trainees who are acquainted with the UK system a chance to progess their career.

How ridiculous this is you think ?

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It is very ridiculous indeed!! :-/ :'( :-/

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Mr Bond,

I passed my pt 2 in december last year . i have applied for SpR  jobs ever since. i am at the moment doing a job that pays me £600/month less than what i got as an SHO , in an area miles from where i live thus involving lots of commuting.

People who did not bother with the exams and had staff grade positions 2 years ago are in a position better than me. you know something every evening i watch the news about the dire strats the NHS is in i just wonder what kind of service planning allows my kind of situation. i say this because i am just about at the end of my tether to quit psychiatry and the UK all together.

Other colleagues in a similiar situation to me have expressed such a view.

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I totally agree with Toyota! :-/

Even I passed in December last year :'(

Earning less than what I earned as SHO! :'( :'(

The only positive point is the much needed community experience I am getting in this job ;)

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Hi guys

I know the situation is really difficult for a lot of people with very little or no prospect of getting an SpR Job in a specialty they want to work.

I have realised that even sticking to the trust you trained in doesn't guarantee you an SpR job in that locality. This whole buisness of SpR jobs is becoming increasingly frustrating. Would anyone more experinced like to give any pearls of wisdom to their colleagues in distress about how to go about securing an SpR job ??? ??? ???

Thanks in advance

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i don't know about you but i have been round the block asking current SpRs and recently appointed consultants about the frustration of not getting a spr post. the answers are almost universally similar. IT CAN'T BE;IT WASN'T LIKE THAT A FEW YEARS AGO;WHY NOT CHANGE AREA MAYBE YOU ARE INSISTING ON STAYING IN THIS AREA?; PROBABLY YOUR CV; HOW ARE YOU COMING ACROSS AT INTERVIEW PROBABLY YOU ARE NOT CONFIDENT ENOUGH!.and it goes on and on. simply speaking i don't think anyone can give a ready made answer. if you pause to think that at the sho level for instance in my trust there are about a 1000 applicants then my best guess is that the competition is slowly creeping up the scale like in other major competitive medical specialities. not to be too cynical but in such scenarios which people fall victim first to shortlisting and at interviews, you guessed it yes overseas trainees!

Good luck and happy hunting.

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You are right Toyota, Only thing we seem to have any control on is filling in application forms and sending them with a hope that we'll hear something positive this time. I don't know but how like I could afford to keep on doing this though ,may not be very long I guess.

Do you know any colleagues you got an SpR job recently ? what was their experience ?

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i'm in a similar situation. the newcastle scheme hasn't been advertised this time (so far) . i've heard on the rumour mill there are no vacancies. in the past 2 years all of my friends who passed the exam got a place on the scheme! obviously i'm worried about next time as there is now likely to be a bottle neck.

a friend down south has applied to 2 (at least) schemes and wasn't short listed.

interestingly there appear to be numerous staff grade posts.

i am wondering how many of us in staff grade posts are propping up the service thereby reducing the motivation for SpR posts to be created resulting in us being denied training?!

per clinical session we are certainly cheaper. i work 8 sessions all of which are clinical.

Has the college made any comments on the situation?

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Interesting comments Lyra.

When i attended one of the conferences of the royal college 6 weeks ago top guys running things there said that what happenned about 6 years ago was that with the introduction of the calman system there were a lot of NTNs floating about in psychiatry and not enough bums on seats. it was then felt that that money should be redirected to SHO posts hence the boom in SHO posts about that time. I remember you could practically strolll into SHO rotations then offering 5 yr contracts. Now the consequence of course is that there is now a reduction in spr numbers .

With regards to staff grades there have always been sevice gaps for these positions. Historically they have been difficult to fill because they were viewed as career suicide and going nowhere. Colleagues looked down at such individuals who chose such positions with contempt and felt they were very unambitious.

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I passed part 2 last december as well. Was shortlisted for an SpR job in the area where I was an SHO - and got the job, fortunately.

The SpR vacancies in my region have reduced, and there are loads more applicants for the jobs. Lots of candidates from other regions.

I had to apply for my SpR job before knowing the part 2 results, but thought I would take the chance - am so glad I did. The vacancies seem to have completely dried up all over the country since then. Some of my friends were also waiting for results but didn't apply (either because they didn't want to tempt fate, or they just hadn't known that the local SpR jobs were advertised) and quite a few of them are now still without an SpR number despite applying for so many rotations. I've heard that some of them are thinking of going overseas because of the struggle to get jobs here.

I don't really have anything to add. I think the interviews now must be tougher because there will be so many more candidates with extra research and other experience etc. I really sympathise with those of you who are trying to get an SpR job now. I didn't realise at the time how quickly it would all be changing.

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I have had a similar expereince as timtam and was lucky enough to get into the same rotation where i did my SHO training.

These days the competition seems to be ridiculous, be it for SHO or SpR posts. No easy answers for the competition apart from possibly doing one's best and keeping fingers crossed.

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I passed my part exam last December. I have tried unsuccessfully for last 12 months to become a SpR. Not very optimistic now.

I am now more focused on jobs overseas. Negotiating a Consultant job in Canada and have some residency interviews in U.S.A. (passed USMLE's earlier this year). Australia could be another option if above does'nt work out.

Would have been a lot more content with life if I was able to get a SpR post somehow.

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Ya that's true mazhar,

I don't know where all jobs have gone.

I sometimes wonder , to make process more fairer and objective, why don't they centralise application and interview processes. You go in for an interview and you can sense who is going to get a job there. This isn't any clairvoyance but simple logic to work out that it's the internal candidate who is the most favourite of all. Sorry if I sound too sceptical but I am gradually losing faith.

I am not projecting out my incapabilities either. I seriously think a lot of people deserve too be SpRs but unfortunaltelu unable to secure a post due to some reason or the other. The numbers available currently are ridiculosly few. Is there no light at the end of the tunnel ?

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Mr Bond, there might still be some light at the end of tunnel or at least that's what my seniors are telling me. Personally, I do not see much hope of getting a SpR post. I am more focused on getting specialist registration through Article 14 which is supposed to take into account middle grade U.K. experience and also further training abroad.

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