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what's the MRCPsych worth abroad?

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what are the prospects of an MRCPsych holder pre-SpR in:

1. Canada

2. Australia

3. The United States.

any information/experiences pls?

8) :-*

 

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OMC

I think in australia u can practice just like in uk--Locum consultant/ Spr training after MRCPsych part 2

There is also possibility of doing upto 1 yr of your spr in other countries i know one is australia and for others u may have to look into Royal college site/contact them

In the US you may still have to take USMLE and apply for residency programme you may only be given exemption of 1-2 yrs of training.But You can work in posts as research fellow -clinical trials/other research without USMLE .

I have no clue about canada

there is also possibilty of working in the WHO ?? geneva and few other selected places for a period of 6 months but for this you must be in a training post either sHO/Spr.details are on WHO site.

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there r claims u can get a substantive consultant post in certain canadian provinces.

any comments on this?

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I am currently working as a staff grade psychiatrist in general adult psychiatry.I passed MRCPsych part II last year. Does anybody know whether this qualification is recognised in South Africa?

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no it is not .

This is very disgruntelling because the UK recognises the South African qualification . It is something to do with the trasining here . In UK the MRCPsych is an entrance exam whereas the

FCPsych (SA) is an exit exam . In South Africa you may be made to retake your part II before you can practice .

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I got in touch in the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons in Canada.

They do recognise MRCPsych but only for the duration of training. At some stage you may need to take their Part 1 and Part 2 FRCPsych. Part 1 is written paper and Part 2 is OSCE style along with I think a long case in which your interview with the patient are directly observed. Plus I think you watch a video also and discussion is about that also.

To get your training recognised you need to get in touch with Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons in Canada - they would send you the form. The fee for indepth evaluation is $2000.00 Canadian dollars.

In that they need five year training with first year like internship and four years psychiatry of which six months must be in child and adolescent psychiatry, and once a week for two years I think you should have supervised psychotherapy training. Six months must be rehabilitation psychiatry and other periods can be spent in other specialities of psychiatry.

However there are provinces in Canada where you can directly start the job but eventually at some stage if you plan to move to Ontario or British Columbia you need to take the examination.

There is another problem. You cannot take FRCPsych Part 1 and II unless you have taken Canadian Entrance Examination along with Medical Qualifying Examination 1 and 2 which I think can be exempted you have taken Step 1 , Step 2 and Step 3 USMLE.

I may caution here that these observation are result of my investigations. I could be wrong. I think you would need to get in touch with Royal College of Psychiatrists in Canada also. Plus I would strongly recommend that before you go on such a venture it would be preferable that you have completed your SPR because at least then UK part would be safe.

Please do tell me more if you find any further information.

Childpsych

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about U.S , yes that is true. you get 1 yr exemption with usmle. i am currently preparing for usmle.anyone preparing for usmle after mrcpsych? ???please let me know so that we can share experiences.

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hi there, i just got material-kaplan notes and vedeos, and started studies.let me know wht study material u got .

bye

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Sheeth76, it's good that u r preparing for USMLE. I passed them long time ago but I'll be glad if I could still be of any help. Probably, best way is to get books called 'First aid for USMLE' and go through them first. By the way, I did not get the SpR post in Glasgow. Thanks for ur message anyway.

Me

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i just received my full ECFMG certificate.

i advice u use the board review series for step1-as most of the stuff there will be fairly detailed and help with a decent score for step1.

i think u'd find that when u decide to apply for U.S jobs ur step1 score is the most influential.

am sure only the 1st aid is sufficient for step2 especially after the intensive reading u wld've done for step1.

an advantage though is that specialties are graded in the U.S from the point of view of entry competitiveness.

trauma/surgery/anaesthesia are most competitive-needs >90 in both steps.

obs/gynae/radiology are next-needs 85 to 90 in step1 generally.

the least competitive specialties are medicine/paed/psych-people have managed to get in with 75-80 both steps at least in recent yrs.

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thanks OMC for your advice .good luck to you.

sheeth

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Hey guys

me planning to give my MLE's too...

any study groups / chat forums in UK ?

do let me in...

Me just starting my prep

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hi sheeth, i am planning to take MLE too. have just started step-1 prep

good luck to u

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I am currently working as a staff grade psychiatrist in general adult psychiatry.I passed MRCPsych part II last year. Does anybody know whether this qualification is recognised in South Africa?

For working full time in as a psychiatrist you will need their version FCPsych (SA)

Part II mrcpych only give you excemptions from part i but not part ii -as Neopallium said it is an exit exam. . essentially it is a clinical (part i has far more basic sciences than ours!!).

incidently if you just wanted to work for experience sake -then you may not need any of this. Any public hospital may appoint someone without prior registration with their GMC (HPCSA) for the sole purpose of practising in that hopital. its a way of getting round shortages in rural hospitals without having to sit the equivalent of the PLAB (but far far easier!)

check out http://www.hpcsa.co.za/ where there is a contact for 'cross-validation' of qualifications

http://www.collegemedsa.ac.za/

the definative guide of what is require for the qualifications and also the syllabus of the exams

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If the MRCPsych is not recognised in South Africa, Then why are so many South Africans specialising hear in the UK.....?

Why not just specialise in South Africa?

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Where or how to look for post graduate research fellowships in USA or Australia .

Any info or personal experiences please..

:)

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If the MRCPsych  is not recognised in South Africa, Then why are so many South Africans specialising hear in the UK.....?

Why not just specialise in South Africa?

precisley!!!!!

The problem is that their exam is an exit point whereas ours is an entry point . It is very difficult for non UK residents to get substantive consultant posts , so those South Africans and others have to go back to their countries eventually and they do the conversion exam . Their problem is a political one , there are not enough places for training and if you are white it is a double whammy .

Thinking aloud here , I wonder what it would be like for someone like myself ( an ex-South African ) just finishing my SpR training , if I went back , surely they would nt make me do a conversion exam as i would have already had the equivalent of consultant training ?

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hmm, look in the BJpsych this week to see whats on offer in B.C. admittedly it would be for after SpR training, bue it looks exciting.

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Hey

Just passed part 1,so if all goes well hope to be done in four years.Can South Africans with MRCPsych(post SPR) not work in private practice back home?

help

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chasing rasputin's query last month about places to look for research jobs in the US...i wonder if anyone with similiar interest or personal experience, could direct me to any websites?? :)

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The MRC Psych will be recognised as a specialist qualification in respect of the speciality Psychiatry, provided

the Joint Committee on Psychiatric Training was prepared to confirm that the applicant concerned had

satisfied the requirements for full psychiatric training and was eligible for a consultant post in the United

Kingdom.

Taken from the HPCSA website : http://www.hpcsa.co.za/professional-boards/Medical%20and%20Dental/Documents/F69.pdf

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Cheers for that sobering insight into the abyss that is FRCPsych part 1,think i'll start preparing for MRCPsych then lol

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their style of examining is so out of kilter with modernising medical training. I am glad that I opted for MRCPsych instead .

They have a serious shortage of psychiatrists. One day if I ever go back I hope it wont be a problem for me to work. I left before the days of community service .

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