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Article 14 PMETB

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Has anyone applied or is planning to apply for Article 14 - Specialist register - CCT?

Any ideas/info will be much appreciated!

I understand that the fees will be increased to £1250 (from £700) from April 2006!!!

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what sort of info doyou need? presumably most of the info is availabe on the PMETB website.

ur right about the fees -though i thought they were going up to around £1400. ordinary CCTs will go up to £750 as well....all of which they expect u to pay up front/in one go!!

reason given is government funding/subsidie is going down significantly this year (from around 30-odd% to 3%)

Gosh I just cant wait! ;)

(well actually ...given MMC etc i cant!)

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Thanx for your reply omer!

I just wanted to know whether someone from this cafe has applied or not?

Also, does someone know about any candidate who has applied and has been given CCT?

I am interested in applying but if you look at the criteria on PMETB website, it all seems a bit vague :-/

In other words, you can easily kiss your £1250 goodbye......if you are not careful !!! :o ::) :-/

If someone who has applied and succeeded, shares his/her views etc, it would be of great help! :-*

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carefree,

i was under the impression people had to have been working for quite a few years in a given subspeciality. i.e at least 4 years consistently.

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Toyota, from what I have understood, the guidelines say 5 years with at least 2 years in a SpR equivalent training post :-*

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From the 'horses' mouth (ie DB)- I have been under the impression that the guidance is kept deliberately vague for 'fudging' reasons. I.e. they can then approve or not who ever (to a certain extent) who they want. It is meant to open a few more doors to people specifically to whom they were previously closed.

they said that by now they were expecting somewhere in the region (and therefore were prepared for) 4-5000 applications by now. To date they have only had a shade over 1000. So whatever happens turnover time will be quick for the momment ..but i'm sure there will be a lastminute rush before the price hike.

I would say if it vaguely sounds right, then get perhaps a local college tutor's advice and go for it. There is an appeals process if you dont get through (only £1000 ;) ). One thing PMETB do say, though, is that appeals cost them more than they do you (who cares, right??), so there will be the opportunity for debating the decisions outside of this formal process.

good luck with it!

would be nice, as you say, to hear from anyone who has actually done it (though i suspect that they would have been working for years and this process is little more than a formality).

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Has no one applied for Article 14 - Specialist register - CCT? :-/ :'( :(

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Carefree  wrote,

No, No..... I did not misunderstood ur comments

I genuinely wanted to know ur point of view!    

So what you are saying is - Staff Grades may not stand a chance!

Maybe you are right!!

 

Then the question arises - who should apply?

I was under the impression that the PMETB wanted to encourage Staff Grades to apply through this route for the Spl Register!  

Will have to think more about it - I suppose!

Any comments/advice will be much appreciated from you  

Let's carry on this discussion in the PMETB section - otherwise people might think this is a big joke!!!  

On the contrary i feel staff grades are in the best position to apply. It is well known that staff grades and other non training grades could spend a long time in a subspeciality without getting a chance to be consultants. The PMETB was originally formed with SAS doctors in mind to rectify this anomaly. i.e using the Article 14 route. All i was saying was that as it is clearly early days one is not sure about the details.

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Yeah. I totally agree with you :-*

The only thing which needs to be taken into consideration while waiting for more clarity is the fees; which is going to be increased to £1250 from 1st April 2006 onwards!

The pros and cons of applying now or later really needs to be balanced indeed!  :)

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The main reason for the Article 14 is to allow foreign graduates with enough expereince be granted consultant status to fill in the void that exists esp within general adult CMHT land.

It is also for those associate specialist denied the training opportunities, but who have demonstrated skill and experience (esp Surgeons). I get the impression that 'todays' staff grades would be recommended a year or 2 of formal 'training' before being granted CCT. Certainly the total length of training would be slightly longer.

PMETB have an interest in favouring Run-Through training, though definately not to the extent that the STA did in the days of old.

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Omer wrote,

The main reason for the Article 14 is to allow foreign graduates with enough expereince be granted consultant status to fill in the void that exists esp within general adult CMHT land.  

Not just foreign graduates but any doctor working in a speciality but has somehow not found themselves in the loop of approved training!

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I agree thats who it will end up proving most useful for.

I still await news of an applicants experience of how the process goes in practise.

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Hello guys!

I read at teh BMA news that so far no applicant has been successful at PMETB....they have not managed to reach any conclusion yet, so that is why you haven't heard from anyone re their application..!

good luck anyway!

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one other thing to mention ....PMETB fees are under review .... not sure if the 'general' consultation period is over or not but the JDC is pressing for a review of the fees structure ...so that the burden of certification (in terms of cost) does not bear heaviest on only one party that benefits (ie us). What about our patients and employers??

A model looked at is teaching - they only pay £32 for their equivalent.

Why should we foot the bill???

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On a different or may relevant matter. Does any one know what will happen to the Exams?

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there will still be exams. a written after one year and an osce after 3 years. there may be a part iii after 5 or 6 years, but it will have a higher pass rate than the current exams (ie nearly everyone will pass it)

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Thank you Jhonniespring for your response. I am still not clear about the fate of MRPSYCH exams. I would very much appreciate more clarification on the time frames you have mentioned.

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Hi

I am planning to apply for PMETB, will there be any interview for this ?

any ideas please

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i think the present mrcpsych exam will continue till about 2008/09 after which the total new format will kick in.

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