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the hunt is on!

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yes sir . horse are mounted and bugles are sounded. and this is legal for no foxes being hunted here.

yes sir. it is the IMG ,the species in surplus for last some years. seen mostly infesting NHS surroundings.

lord warner has thanked all IMGs for valuable service provided when the NHS was in crisis. but now thank you , the beast is well again . he thanked all ,thats true. he could have said f*** you too.

now that the beast is up an running we dont need the equal opportunities. it was just an audit for 3 years. we are were compliant. now for the next 13 we can afford to be not.

its the target game dear sir.

open up your shores for i need steel for my cars, petrol to run them and your money to buy it. but sorry u cant come here. who said its an equal world. the east is east and there it should be. and africa too where ever that is. world trade org and globalisation is for the developing to comply with and developed to benifit from.

and we practise ethical recruitment too. yes sir.

how can you all come here when your countries need you. we wanted you to realise this which is why we took billboard sized adds to recruit you. now dont be ungrateful. be a nice lad and go home too.

who said we promised a future and career to you . we dont break promise hence we cant have made it. and we are still going to try to find some promising non training grade positions if you behave.

well enough said the hunt is on and you are invited too. FOR THE HUNT IS ON YOU. cheers now. ;)

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I am wondering if u r really a Psychiatrist. Is this the way you talk to your patients. What has happened to the NHS, couldnt they find any better doc than you. And now the plight of NHS seems more bleak as nuts like you will be serving it with no human values at all.

And who told u we came here uninvited.

You pricks didnt have the skills n the knowledge of working, u just wanted easy life, thats why ur NHS Opened its recruitment centres in every nook n corner of the world requesting quality doctors.But its perfectly alright if u r ignorant coz u people r prone to have limited knowledge, be it medical, or general affairs.

Well nobody claimed u were in surplus numbers when u were plundering wealth in so called developing countries (and still doing that...) few 100 years ago. Well do u know the history of ur country's glorious imperialist past (well i still dont blame u coz u aint intersted in that...)

Well TRUTH HURTS, tht is the case with hypocritical sleazy balls like u.

And dont forget AS U SOW ,SO SHALL U REAP.

And let me memorise u the famous Newton's 3rd law of motion:

EVERY ACTION HAS EQUAL AND OPPOSITE REACTION.(thts the exact case now...)

Dont worry!! not going to give up so easily.

Time will speak....

So keep watchin....

CHEERS!!

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:D well what a retort. obviously you are new to sarcasm. myself also IMG . so who watches what mate.

you need a sense of humor in trying times jiggy boy. but mine was just spontaneous agro developed over what i percieve as hypocritical values.

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come on blood hound

don't be harsh on people who did not understand your srcasm

in times of crises paranoia prevails

i have to congratulate you thou on the well phrased sarcastic view

keep up the good humour

we need it in these tough times

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dear bloodhound... very much appreciated your sense of humour!!! I think jiggs took it literally :lol:

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Bloodhound, mate your initial post about the hunt was fantastic, we need this sort of humor in days of crisis.Keep up the good work and keep on posting :lol:

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down boy. I can sense Disgruntled people in da house. It is true that they used us. It is true that they want us out. Its true that I feel like a used con..m but hey it could’ve been worse. I am from Pakistan and I cant thank God enough for making me an asian…the same goes for my Indian brothers. We could always go back to our our motherland and sell oranges with dignity rather than beg for jobs here. Mark my words…this new system will crash specially with what they refer to EU graduates calling mangoes akhalakpakalookaka( What I mean here is that they cant speak the language and to be very honest I doubt it that they would like to come to this country anyway). We have struggled to get to where we are now…no thanks to them as we did for them what their own people couldn’t. I will not have a sleepless night over this because I have my family and friends in good health and God willing I will be able to feed my family 3 times a day till I die so why worry.

Bloodhound…I liked ure sarcasm. Hit the spot. Jigs chill man/maam. We could always move to Afghanistan or iRAQ to find work as as I hear they need doctors hahahahahaha

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EASY boys!

lets take things bit easy! good one blood hound. i guess people without much exposure to the british sense of sarcasm won't catch yours easily.

its true though and lets all face it. take it with a smile and rest assured, there is always an equal and oppsite reaction in due course of time then we will have a smile to ourselves!

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very well said paranth.also a bit of sarcasm and sense of humour will be welcome at this time. :lol: :lol:

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guys! any idea how the canadian registration system works. I think they call it MCCEE or something. people who have 3 years of experience in england...do they also have to go through the australian registration exam? Too many questions right hmmm. Going back home would definately have one advantage.......people would pronounce my name the right way yipeeeeee

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pechoo

i agree with your idea of selling oranges rather than begging for jobs

i read a article 1 yr ago in hospital doctor or somethin

it was about doctors who had retuned to india after training in uk

most were doing well and had no major probs

i guess same will apply to pakistan as well

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Hi Froid,

Please shed some light on this, u mean all the UK trained docs walked straight into Private practise in India and started to earn lacs!!

Uk training is not recognised in gov sector in India, so there is no way they all could have become Professors and Asst.Professors !!

But even a Professor in AIIMS(our alma mater of medicine), gets around 20 grand( ie Indian rupees) as his monthly salary!

So if u could tell me how UK trained docs are all doing well in India, I promise to pack my bags the day I get my MRCPsych!!

cheers :lol:

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I went for a meeting at the Liverpool Medical Institute this evening in which there was a talk by the Dean of the RCP Edinburgh.

He made it quite clear that in specialities like GP and Cardiology, it is going to be very difficult( impossible) for IMG's to get jobs becasue of the new workpermit rules. He did say though, that in 'lesser specialities'( PSY) the IMG's may still be required simply becasue they do not have many of their 'competent' graduates wanting to do it!

With regard to Medicine he said that all present trainees are going to become STs by Aug '07 which means there are going to be more jobs. There are more jobs becasue people are going to be working less hours than they do now. So they will need more docs. He said he assumes it is the same accross the board i.e SURG and PSY etc. So for the IMGs on rotations now it is still a possibility to get into higher training i.e ST year 3-6 (SPr equivalent).

He also implicitly said that the government was not going to train local graduates and have them unemployed, which is what happened last summer. Becasue of which the new rule about the work pemits came into place.

He feels the ones in the rotations should wait till the dust settles. So maybe we should.

I am assuming that people reading this are interested only in what applies to them i.e PSY traing but he believes the PMETB is going to enforce all the colleges to have the same playing field. So it should apply to us as well.

Quite clear from the RCPSYC Dean that SHOs on the rotation will have to pass exams to get into higher specialist training. Read his letter from Feb or March to make things clearer.

Cheers. Chill guys...........ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

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Its just amazing how this forum is become rife with interesting examples of cognitive distortions! Okay, the news is bad, but come on, some posts are getting hilariously negative and inaccurate, id suggest we talk sense and impart strenghth to each other instead of getting too emotional to completely wrong in our thinking.

Having just done the Part 1 theory, i'd like to liven things up with a bit of revision according to Dr Becks model of depressive thinking:

COGNITIVE DISTORTIONS/ NEGATIVE THINKING:

'Please shed some light on this, u mean all the UK trained docs walked straight into Private practise in India and started to earn lacs!!'- ALL OR NONE THINKING (of course whenever you move from one system to another there'll be a lag period which you settle in and get established, but you will GET there, you ARE after all a trained doctor aren't you?)

Uk training is not recognised in gov sector in India- MAGNIFICATION AND SELECTIVE ATTENTION

so there is no way they all could have become Professors and Asst.Professors !! -- OVERGENERALISATION, MINIMISATION, AND yet again ALL OR NONE THINKING!

'But even a Professor in AIIMS(our alma mater of medicine), gets around 20 grand( ie Indian rupees) as his monthly salary!'- MINIMISATION, CATASTROPHISATION/ ARBITRARY INFERENCE (man junior residents these days earn Rs 23000/month in Delhi, chill Professors take home much more, and why do you even think of becoming a professor straight after MRCPsych)

So if u could tell me how UK trained docs are all doing well in India, I promise to pack my bags the day I get my MRCPsych!!- ARBITRARY INFERENCE, ALL OR NONE THINKING and LABELLING (come on, why do you so strongly believe a UK trained doctor cannot do well in India, where is the evidence? After all you have an Indian degree plus a UK degree which people love there, don't you remember all the doctors' nameplates proclaiming in bold things like MRCP(LONDON)!!)

Sorry I dont mean to upset anyone with the above but equally it is quite annoying reading hysterical posts making one feel there is no hope. Please do not forget, we are all trained professionals, we have degrees, agreed this is a major stressor, we need to tell ourselves what we tell our patients everyday- not all is lost, don't panic, life will still go on and we will all learn a lesson or two out of this experience which will make us better men. In this important time, we must not lose our minds guys!

PS- Bloodhound, absolutely loved your post!

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princescorpio satisfaction in life is not calculated by how much you earn.I think you would be much happier earning even half the money you earn here.Now a days in india you could earn much more than you earn here if you are good.Iam sure India is the destination in the next 10years.

I would prefer to have a life where i could eat proper idli,vada,puri,dosa,panipur etc and get half the money i get here.

Remember dont equate life with money there are more thing in life to do.I realized this after coming here and my current plan is to finish mrcpsych ang go back.Listen to the song from swadesh desh pukara.

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Daer bludanubein : thanks for you appopriate response to princescorpio75. I think this gentleman has absolutely no clue about any ground reality in India.

He also seems to be a quite hungry for earning lacs of rupees very quickly where as it seems that he has yet to travel a long path to complete his speciality training in Psychiatry. Despite this he feels that he will get a Professorial Post in India which he thinks is not even worthy of him.

My original reply was very approriate and I still stand by it. Money seeems to have blinded the reading and comprehension capabilities of princescorpio75.

Let me smash home some more facts for him:

1.  Walking straight into private practise: Did anyone get a job in UK the next day they landed here? No. So there is a lag period when you come to a different system. Same thing will apply back home. Building a private practise does take a couple of years. You have to wait through this period.

2. Professorial Post: Do you think you will get a post straightaway and you may refuse it as it pays you less? Sir, you will have to work atleast 10 - 15 years for that. So please do not be in a hurry. These are academic posts, naturally less paid than many others. Even in the UK academic posts are slighly less paid. If you are after money that is not an area where you you will want to go.

3. MRCPsych issues:You are absoluely right that MRCPsych is not at par with MD in India. Why do you think it should be. In UK very few foreign dgrees are considered equivalent. It is entirely right. If you train in the system of the country where you will working as a consultant you will always have an advantage. You will also know the system better.

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4. MRCPsych & Private Practise: With you UK experience and MRCPsych you are entitled to practise as a Psychiatrist in Private. You may not hold govt posts and act as a expert witness in Court ... but this hradly will limit you. Most doctors are in private practise. Even if you are dragged in the courts by any patient which is very unlikely to happen, your experience and qualification will be considered by courts.

5.Salaries in India: You are way out of touch man. You are talking about salaries 5 - 7 years back. Don't expect any Professor to be paid 1 lakh per month either. Vinidoc is quite right - satisfaction does not equal money.I have worked at a junior academic post - 15,000 per month. It was the most fantastic period in my life.

6. Packing you bags: First get MRCPsych.You have a long way before you start howling. It is quite likely that your bags may be packed for you rather than you choosing to go!

7.Doctors settling back: Read my post carefully - I said most doctors have no problems. There are bound to be a few exceptions but still most settle down very well. In India still the most important thing in Private Practise is whether the patients are able to trust you or not. If you are a good person and you are perceived as acting in their best interest, your patients do not ask for you GMC no or qualification details or experience details.They will respect you and value. If you keep an eye only for money - well you would be in a different league.

I normally would not have been so harsh princescorpio75 seemed to be cynical and sarcastic without knowing head or tail of what he was talking

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Guys.....please dont be so harsh on me! I didnt mean to offend anyone by my post.May be it was Becks cognitive distortions on which I was acting.But atleast by this way I have got so much info from all of you guys.I thank you all for that.

As u see FROID, Iam your junior and u have to guide me, and u have done that, cheers man! :)

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No worries man...

No offence taken....

Your post was well intentioned but it gave me chance to tell things that I know.

I am sure you will do well wherever you are!!

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well thnx mate, that cheers me up even in these difficult times we are all facing!

:)

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