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Hello there, wonder if anyone has any idea/experience about working in Dubai post MRCPsych? I gather they really value British degrees.Anyone has any clue abt the pay structure, working system etc?

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There has to be someone in the forum who can shed light on the prospects of working in Dubai? Anyone at all with any sort of information?? Help please!

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This is from one of my friends who is joining as a consultant in rheumatology. The salary would be equivalent to around £4000 per month but you have several perks, including £2000 relocation expense, free housing, schooling and return journey paid once every year.

Not sure of psychiatry though or how easy it is to find a job.

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This again, from one of my friends who used to work/live there...

I cannot comment specifically about Dubai, but apparently middle east is probably the worst place to work from a racist point of view (both color of skin and religious racism)... If you are a white, there shouldn't be a problem...

if you are from India, and you are a Hindu, you probably will encounter some amount of racism...  but that said, you encounter racism when one travels across different states in India...

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sad but true! :P

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Do u know Arabic? if yes then start contacting hospital HR.

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Thanks for the information. Do u reckon knowing the local language would be a prerequisite before applying for jobs? Any one else around with more information on the prospects of working in Dubai and who can enlighten me on this issue?

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Hello everyone

as far as I know you need to have cct to work as a consultant but with the Mrcp you will get spcialist. the salary will be good with all the perks and tax free BUT. life is very expensive there and while you will live a good standard, you will not be able to save. so it depends on your plans. I presume that with psychiatry, knowledge of the language is essential. but I'm not 100% sure and may be different hospitals have different rules. as some one said there is racism but when you go as a professional oyu hardly face that, those who go as manual labours will face that alot. Saudi Arabia is different in that the wages are higher with the living expense far more lower than the rest of the gulf and uk. and they require three years after the membership (cct is not a requirement). I hope this is of help :)

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Many thanks for your response Alwaleed, goes much appreciated. Wonder if anyone has anything more to add, pleeease will be of tremendous help.

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I tried looking for a job in another Gulf country some years ago. I think it's nearly impossible to get jobs in mental health, given that it still is a taboo subject there. You will definitely need to know the language if you are looking to be employed in a government hospital but not if you want to work in a private hospital. They prefer 3 years of experience AFTER qualifying as a consultant, however, I'm sure if they are desperate (HR wise) they will overlook this.

If you are Muslim, quite obviously, you are looked upon preferably more so in Psychiatry but this is less stringent in other specialties, except OBGynaec.

Bottomline: Things might have changed, so try your luck but don't get your hopes up. Let me know if you need more help.;)

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I tried looking for a job in another Gulf country some years ago. I think it's nearly impossible to get jobs in mental health, given that it still is a taboo subject there. You will definitely need to know the language if you are looking to be employed in a government hospital but not if you want to work in a private hospital. They prefer 3 years of experience AFTER qualifying as a consultant, however, I'm sure if they are desperate (HR wise) they will overlook this.

[highlight]If you are Muslim, quite obviously, you are looked upon preferably[/highlight] more so in Psychiatry but this is less stringent in other specialties, except OBGynaec.

Bottomline: Things might have changed, so try your luck but don't get your hopes up. Let me know if you need more help.;)

Really! I thought it is the possession of UK/USA passport which get favourable treatment?

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I tried looking for a job in another Gulf country some years ago. I think it's nearly impossible to get jobs in mental health, given that it still is a taboo subject there. You will definitely need to know the language if you are looking to be employed in a government hospital but not if you want to work in a private hospital. They prefer 3 years of experience AFTER qualifying as a consultant, however, I'm sure if they are desperate (HR wise) they will overlook this.

[highlight]If you are Muslim, quite obviously, you are looked upon preferably[/highlight] more so in Psychiatry but this is less stringent in other specialties, except OBGynaec.

Bottomline: Things might have changed, so try your luck but don't get your hopes up. Let me know if you need more help.;)

[highlight]Really! I thought it is the possession of UK/USA passport which get favourable treatment?[/highlight]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Well, let me elaborate then.. these are Islamic countries which are mired in taboo and tradition (although some potray a 'developed nation' facade). I am merely stating what is obvious to most people... You having a UK / USA passport might be looked upon secondarily...

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Hi,

I have experience of working in Dubai. Psychiatry in a government hospital is next to impossible if you dont know the language. If you are an asian, non muslim the chances are slimmer. One does face quite alot of racism there which is very open. You face it even if you are a professional based on your skin colour. A professional faces racism on the street, in the immigration office, airport, driving tests etc....... You are treated like a labourer outside your hospital setup if you have brown skin. They call you ' hey Hindi'(Indian) or 'Bakistani' (Pakistani). Pay is good if you are a government employee. If you work for a private hospital it varies and , you are at their mercy. Some of them take away your passport as soon as you join. You cannot move from one job to another unless you get a 'release' from your current employer, who wont give you one unless he gets someone else in your post.The laws favour the employer rather than the employee. As a psychiatrist your hands are tied regarding prescribing any benzos or any sedatives. If the Ministry feels that you are prescribing 'too many ' benzos, you will be put behind bars. There were some prominent psychiatrists arrested and put behind bars. If something untoward happens to your patient , god help you. If you need peace of mind Middle East is not for you.

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Rastafari wrote:

Hi,

I have experience of working in Dubai. Psychiatry in a government hospital is next to impossible if you dont know the language. If you are an asian, non muslim the chances are slimmer. One does face quite alot of racism there which is very open. You face it even if you are a professional based on your skin colour. A professional faces racism on the street, in the immigration office, airport, driving tests etc....... You are treated like a labourer outside your hospital setup if you have brown skin. They call you ' hey Hindi'(Indian) or 'Bakistani' (Pakistani). Pay is good if you are a government employee. If you work for a private hospital it varies and , you are at their mercy. Some of them take away your passport as soon as you join. You cannot move from one job to another unless you get a 'release' from your current employer, who wont give you one unless he gets someone else in your post.The laws favour the employer rather than the employee. As a psychiatrist your hands are tied regarding prescribing any benzos or any sedatives. If the Ministry feels that you are prescribing 'too many ' benzos, you will be put behind bars. There were some prominent psychiatrists arrested and put behind bars. If something untoward happens to your patient , god help you. If you need peace of mind Middle East is not for you.

I am not surprised at all. The onlt thing I would add is that if you hold a british passport, things might b a bit better at the official level but not the day to day life level.

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Funny enough met a Neurosurgeon from Kerala-Non Muslim currently working in UK who recounted with horror his experiences of working in Saudi---was demeaned on a daily basis(pts treating you as a servant) and spat at by a couple of patients when they realised he was a hindu,leading him to move to the UK WITHIN A YR as soon as he could grt himself out.

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NY wrote:

Rastafari wrote:
Hi,

I have experience of working in Dubai. Psychiatry in a government hospital is next to impossible if you dont know the language. If you are an asian, non muslim the chances are slimmer. One does face quite alot of racism there which is very open. You face it even if you are a professional based on your skin colour. A professional faces racism on the street, in the immigration office, airport, driving tests etc....... You are treated like a labourer outside your hospital setup if you have brown skin. They call you ' hey Hindi'(Indian) or 'Bakistani' (Pakistani). Pay is good if you are a government employee. If you work for a private hospital it varies and , you are at their mercy. Some of them take away your passport as soon as you join. You cannot move from one job to another unless you get a 'release' from your current employer, who wont give you one unless he gets someone else in your post.The laws favour the employer rather than the employee. As a psychiatrist your hands are tied regarding prescribing any benzos or any sedatives. If the Ministry feels that you are prescribing 'too many ' benzos, you will be put behind bars. There were some prominent psychiatrists arrested and put behind bars. If something untoward happens to your patient , god help you. If you need peace of mind Middle East is not for you.

I am not surprised at all. The onlt thing I would add is that if you hold a british passport, things might b a bit better at the official level but not the day to day life level.

Well thats another story. If you hold a british or American passport, you get a better pay than your counterpart with an Asian passport. A British or American doctor gets paid the maximum, followed by the local doctor, followed by coloured British or American doctor and then the non Brit/Amercan passport holder for doing the same job. An Arabic Journalist once wrote criticising that the discrimination is so much that a white carpenter commands more respect than an Indian Ambassador. He was later critisiced for writing that article , but he was telling the truth which doesnt go down well everytime.

Another recent development was the British degree was devalued against the American one. So the British consultants were demoted but given a higher pay so that they dont complain. But they have to work under an American consultant if avaialble.

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NY wrote:

Rastafari wrote:

Hi,

I have experience of working in Dubai. Psychiatry in a government hospital is next to impossible if you dont know the language. If you are an asian, non muslim the chances are slimmer. One does face quite alot of racism there which is very open. You face it even if you are a professional based on your skin colour. A professional faces racism on the street, in the immigration office, airport, driving tests etc....... You are treated like a labourer outside your hospital setup if you have brown skin. They call you ' hey Hindi'(Indian) or 'Bakistani' (Pakistani). Pay is good if you are a government employee. If you work for a private hospital it varies and , you are at their mercy. Some of them take away your passport as soon as you join. You cannot move from one job to another unless you get a 'release' from your current employer, who wont give you one unless he gets someone else in your post.The laws favour the employer rather than the employee. As a psychiatrist your hands are tied regarding prescribing any benzos or any sedatives. If the Ministry feels that you are prescribing 'too many ' benzos, you will be put behind bars. There were some prominent psychiatrists arrested and put behind bars. If something untoward happens to your patient , god help you. If you need peace of mind Middle East is not for you.

I am not surprised at all. The onlt thing I would add is that if you hold a british passport, things might b a bit better at the official level but not the day to day life level.

Hi! I am currently working in the Gulf and the horror stories that you are recounting are urban myths, and frankly shocking. I will agree with regards to the requirement of speaking the Arabic language, but that is common sense, because what is the likelihood that a patient when psychotic will focus on speaking his second language when they can't concentrate on conversation?!

With regards to the racism, as others have said it is present everywhere in the world, so it won't be any different from practicing in any other not-so-cosmopolitan city, ie. even rural areas in the West where I personally have heard "I would like a white doctor please!". These are small countries that you are talking about, which are unquestionably still xenophobic (and this you will find even when they talk about citizens of their neighbouring countries) and still blind sided to a certain extent by their histories of being colonized. The impact of religion varies greatly within them. The bottom line here is that the foundation of most of their medical systems were Asian and British doctors, and until this day the Asian doctors make up a large percentage of the working healthcare system.

The laws with regards to employment are fast changing, and employers have lost the power they used to have in a lot of the Gulf countries and it is becoming illegal for them to take anyone's passport.

On the subject of doctors being put behind bars, now that I have NEVER heard of. Unfortunately the practice in the Gulf has not even reached the point of respecting the patient's autonomy. Medicine in this regard, is still stuck in the days where the doctor has full reigns of power and the patient does not even question the prescription. Consent is taken loosely, and its just the medicolegal issue of having a document signed when nobody really explains anything. It is possible that the doctor you heard/read about was prescribing these benzos to drug addicts fully aware of their addiction and exploiting it, as the tendency in addiction in this part of the world is polydrug abuse and the benzos are a favourite.

When it comes down to pay, you are right to say that it varies greatly. The doctors of Gulf citizenship are actually paid the least, but ANY foreign/expatriate doctor will make the same amount which surpasses what his citizen counterpart will make.

The question of practicing psychiatry in this part of the world boils down to the fact that the majority of the citizens are more comfortable communicating with their mother tongue; and the cultural implications of the mental illness and stigma associated need to be mollified at all times when dealing with patients.

Hope this helps.

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Please can you tell me what are the salaries in UAE, specially in Dubai for psychiatrist? 

And is there a variability in salary between psychiatrists and consultant psychiatrists salary, and European psychiatrists and psychiatrists salary who are not i European union.

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