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Declining FTSTA and future chance of ST offer

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If someone has rejected FTSTA offer then will the same deanery consider him for ST post if he qualify for it later?

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I can only guess, but I would suspect that would be unlikely........... Hold on, I cant see why not either.

[ next time I'll keep opinions that aren't useful to myself ]

P.S:

I just sent the letter of acceptance to London deanery for an FTSTA post ST2 level, which was offered to me last night at 23:20.

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This from our Course Coordinator: (Deanery here is London Deanery)

If you've been offered a FTSTA, you might find the following

interesting

reading IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE APPLICANT'S GUIDE (see link below) and

your offer letter...

http://www.mmc.nhs.uk/download_files/Revised%20Applicants%20Guide%20-%20allocations%20FINAL%20220507.pdf

1.   If you accept an FTSTA, it will be 'upgraded' to a run-through

post if a vacancy subsequently arises.

2.   If you accept this FTSTA offer, please bear in mind that you might

not be eligible to apply in round 2 .

3.   If you reject this FTSTA offer, the Deanery has told us that you

might NOT be able to apply in round 2 although this contradicts what is

written on page 14 of the applicant's guide dated 22 May 2007.   We

asked for clarification but, as yet, have not received a response.  

Please bear this in mind when you make your decision

4.    A FTSTA is automatically approved for training for its duration

(eg 12 months) but you will need to reapply later for a run-through

post

in open competition.

5.    You need to decide by no later than 23.59 on Sunday 10 June if

you are going to accept/decline the FTSTA.     No

benefits/disadvantages

in accepting now or nearer the deadline of Sunday night.

6.  Please bear in mind that we have no idea how many posts will be

available in round 2 and whether they will be fixed-term or

run-through.

The decision is entirely yours but... my advice is a) to accept the

FTSTA now as the guide says that, if you are subsequently offered a

run-through post, you can still accept that and decline the FTSTA and

B)

should a run-through vacancy arise, we are told by the Deanery that the

FTSTA will be upgraded to a run-through post.

Good luck with your deliberations.    

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I can only guess, but I would suspect that would be unlikely...........   Hold on, I cant see why not either.

[ next time I'll keep opinions that aren't useful to myself ]

P.S:

 I just sent the letter of acceptance to London deanery for an FTSTA post ST2 level, which was offered to me last night at 23:20.

what exactly u mean? :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/

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Dear Colorado,

thanks for ur useful information. I was offered an FTSTA post from my home deanery initially which I have accepted. Later London/KSS has offered me the same which obviously I have to reject. Now, as i have rejected London/KSS FTSTA offer, I wonder whether they will take me out of theit list or is it possible that I could get an ST offer later from them if my rank goes up.

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XTRA XTRA Read all about it!!

This hot off the MMC burner!

PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS GUIDANCE APPLIES TO ENGLAND

APPLICANTS ONLY

8th June 2007

Dear Applicant,

We thank you for your patience and we thank all consultants and others

involved in the process for their hard work as we go through this year’s

recruitment round.

As you should be aware from previous guidance (published here), Deaneries

are nearing the end of the initial process of making specialty training offers.

Following the 10th June deadline for you to accept or decline initial offers,

between Monday 11th June and Friday 22nd June additional offers will be

made for training posts that remain unfilled. After the 10th June deadline,

additional offers will be made be made to appointable candidates between

Monday 11th June and Friday 22nd June for posts that remain unfilled. Offers

of posts must be accepted or declined within a 48 hour period or the offer will

automatically expire.

We will then move into a second round of recruitment for this year, which will

be locally managed and restricted to those applicants who have enrolled on

MTAS and have either declined all offers made to them in round 1, [highlight]have

accepted an FTSTA but would like to apply for a run-through post[/highlight], or who

have not been successful in the first round. The principles underlying this

second round have been set out in previous guidance to you published here.

We are writing to you today to set out in greater detail how this second phase

of recruitment and selection will work, and to explain what we will be doing to

support applicants who have not been able to find the right training

opportunity once it has finished.

Please read this guidance carefully. A clear understanding of the process will

help maximise your likelihood of finding the right training post for you.

Please note this important point. [highlight]If you have accepted an FTSTA offer as

part of round one, you may hold onto this offer into round 2. [/highlight]You will

still be able to compete for run-through training places in this second

round. However if you have accepted a run-through post in round 1 you

cannot apply.

- 2 -

The second phase of recruitment

[highlight]Please note that all applicants who applied to MTAS who are in substantive

NHS employment on 31st July will continue to have employment while they

progress through round two.[/highlight] This does not necessarily mean that you will

continue in the same post, and it may even be necessary to move to another

local hospital. We have asked Strategic Health Authorities to ensure that you

continue to have employment during Round Two.

1. Vacancies

The final number of vacancies available during this second phase will depend

on the outcome of round one and will not be known until late June.

Because this second phase of recruitment will be managed locally, its timing

will vary from Deanery to Deanery. However, we expect that it will be

completed by 31st October.

All Vacancies will be advertised on NHS Jobs (www.jobs.nhs.uk) and also on

each Deanery website. The method of application will be locally determined

by Deaneries. Deaneries may either choose to use the NHS Jobs process, or

use a traditional paper-based system. The application forms used may vary

between Deaneries or Trusts, but they will all map to the national person

specifications available on the MMC website (www.mmc.nhs.uk).

2. Extra run-through training posts

We are providing an extra 215 run-through training posts, to make sure the

number of posts available is a better fit for the number of doctors already well

advanced in their specialist training. These vacancies will be added to the

total remaining from round one during this second phase of recruitment and

their distribution in terms of location and specialty is attached at the bottom of

this guidance to help guide your assessment of the best option for you.

2. Applications

Previous applications submitted on MTAS will not be used during round two.

Instead you will be able to make unlimited new applications, regardless of

deanery or specialty. You will not be required to give information about your

preferences between Units of Application.

Please note that only those applicants who enrolled in the first round of

recruitment on MTAS and who have not accepted an offer of a run-through

training place within that round will be able to apply. Deaneries will check this

before applications are sent for consideration.

- 3 -

To repeat: If you have accepted an FTSTA offer as part of round one,

you may hold onto this offer into round 2. You will still be able to

compete for run-through training places in this second round. However

if you have accepted a run-through post in round 1 you cannot apply.

3. Interviews

Interviews will be managed locally by the Deaneries. Interviewers should be

given a copy of the complete application form (except the equal oppor

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account of applicants’ portfolios

and their CV summarising their portfolio of evidence. Applicants will be asked

to bring their portfolios to the interview

The content of interviews may vary across deaneries, specialties and levels,

but again will map across to the relevant person specification. Please take

documents used in round one (such as your GMC certificate) and your

portfolio to your interviews as these may be requested by the panel.

It will not be necessary for you to take signed references to an interview

unless you are specifically asked to do so by the Deanery or Trust involved. If

not requested at interview, professional references will be sought from your

referees during pre-employment checks.

4. Offers

All offers made will be conditional on the necessary pre-employment checks

being carried out successfully.

Offers of jobs will be made locally. Once you have accepted a rin-through

training post, all other interviews and offers you have will be withdrawn.

However, if you accept an FTSTA post during round two, you can remain

in competition for run-through training posts.

Once you have confirmed your acceptance of a training place, the relevant

Deanery will match you to a specific programme or post and will notify you.

Opportunities following the second phase

At the end of this second phase of recruitment we know that there will be a

number of doctors who are appointable for specialist training, but who have

been unable to find the right training post this year.

The NHS has been asked to help us draw up additional educational and

training opportunities for such candidates comprising the following elements:

• Additional FTSTA posts

- 4 -

• Additional GP training posts

• Extra educational support for doctors who were appointable, but did not

secure a training post this year and who have subsequently secured a

service post.

Because this process is being determined at local level and to match local

circumstances, it is not possible at the moment to say where and how many

extra opportunities are involved. But we will let you know how to find out about

these extra training posts as soon possible.

Support for applicants

We know how vital it is to make sure you can see where opportunities are at

any given point, so that you can make the most informed decision about

choosing between them.

Deanery websites will include all potential posts that they will be advertising

during the second phase of recruitment, together with round one competition

ratios for each specialty in each Deanery so that you can match your

preferences with those specialties which are still open for applications.

We will produce a national, consolidated list of these vacancies and ratios so

that, as well as being available locally on the Deanery websites, they are all

available via the MMC website. These will be available towards the end of the

week commencing 25th June

You will also need career information and guidance to help you make the best

choices in entering round two and, potentially, following it. This will vary

depending on the stages of the process:

• At the end of round one we will arrange career guidance from

appropriate senior medical staff so you can find the right training

programmes to apply for in the second phase. This will be especially

important if your preferred specialty is highly competitive because you

may need to consider which alternative specialties are right for you.

• At the end of round two, if you have not been offered a training place

but have feedback to say that you are appointable, we will arrange

appropriate career counselling to start looking at which training

opportunities available will be right for you.

• After round two, if you are unsuccessful in finding a training opportunity

and have had feedback to say that you are not suitable for a training

appointment, we will arrange appropriate career counselling to look at

what alternative, non-training opportunities might be available to you.

- 5 -

We are asking Trusts, Deaneries and Strategic Health Authorities to take all

possible steps to provide this support to applicants who are currently

employed by the NHS but who have not been successful in finding a training

place.

We are also in discussions to establish Deanery-based career networks. The

aim is to provide a mechanism so that Deaneries can communicate effectively

with doctors who are seeking career advice, and so that employers have

direct access to a ready source of potential recruits.

Finally, we would advise you to visit the Deanery websites regularly to keep

abreast of the latest local information. As the second phase of recruitment

and subsequent support for applicants will be managed locally, you should

address any queries on your application you may have to the relevant

Deanery. Further queries on national processes and issues can continue to

be sent to the national MMC Helpdesk at MMCsupport@mmc.nhs.uk.

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Our apologies for the length of this letter, but we want to be able to bring you

as up to date as possible with how the process is going.

Yours faithfully

The MMC Team

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Thank you again Colorado

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Cheers colorado, clears the air on so amny issues.

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