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Indian govt recognises MRCP FRCS but not MRCPsych?

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you are right BB...

the media knows only two medical professions, medicine and surgery.... just like the avg indian junta knows only two careers - medicine and engineering.. :D

well, i came across that piece of news too..and it seems that the MCI is planning on introducing a clearance exam for people with foreign post grad degrees.. it has been in the offing for a long time now.. i have been waiting with bated breath for it really.. it has been too long in implementation...

in any case, plans have yet to be finalised.. and i think the best bet is to keep checking the MCI's website for more information...

that will tell us the true story of what is happening..

rumour is that the DNB board was also planning on something similar.. and that they might implement clearance exams for each speciality.. so that i didnt have to study Obs/Gyn or Ortho if i wanted to practice Psych in India... now i dont know if one might get awarded the DNB after that as well.. it wud be bloody cool if they did :)

i could then have a PG student under my supervision !!!

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Chaps, do u think we can do something about this. We can write to the dean asking him to recognise the qualification. We can sign in a common letter . Any other ideas. It can be a very good bost for the people aspiring to go back home.

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My feeling is that if MRCP and FRCS are recognised, the others shud have got the nod too. We need to confirm this. Surely Psychiatrists, Gynaecologists and others are not going to take this lying down.

Would be happy to sign a joint letter if it comes to that.

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Myself having done Pg from India and having worked there... (MD and DNB)

I can tell you very plainly... the exams are very very different there...

Last time I had gone for the DNB practical... they asked me questions like what is cfos and c jun... which i thought was absolutely ridiculous for a practical exam...

I got a long case of OCD... with predominant obsessions... obsessions almost on the verge of being quite bizarre... he feels people are looking at him and calling him a eunuch... most of the times he realises they are not... and the ideas are absolutely wierd... but at times he lost insight... at times have picked up quarrels

They asked me... what is the role for a clinical psychologist... I said CBT... Rachmans model etc etc... They were not happy... They asked me again and again... and then suddenly I realised it was India.. and CLIPs actually did nothing but administer Rorschachs... Then they went on to ask me about the findings of ROR in OCD and Psychosis...

The they asked me questions about Victor Frankl's logotherapy... which I had no idea about..

Basically the examiners were going on an ego trip... especially when I told them I was currently in the UK... they had to convince themselves that they were better than me...

I found the exam quite useless from a practical point of view... I passed the stuff though... ( I would be more than happy if RCPsych recognises it... last time I asked Prof Bhugra..he said there are no plans)

From a practical point of view... a person trained in the UK will find it really difficult to practice in India. Atleast a couple of my friends have come back because they could not...

I am not discouraging anyone... but thats plain reality...

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Check this out, List of qualifications deemed equal to PG degree in India, cant see a MRCPsych there.

http://www.mciindia.org/know/rules/teachers.htm

SCHEDULE-II

The following qualifications be treated at par with M.D/M.S awarded by Indian Universities:-

1. Facharzt Fuer Chirurgia (Specialist Surgeon) (West Germany)

2. ‘Facharzt Fuer Gynaekologie’ (Specialist of Gynaecology) (West Germany),

3. F.R.A.C.S. (Fellowship of the Royal Australian College of Surgeons)

4. ‘Diploma in Certificate ‘D’ Etudes Specialist ‘D’ of Medicine Electro-Radiology (Certificate of Special Studies of Medical Electro-Radiology) Paris, France.

5. F.R.C.P. (Canada), F.R.C.S. (Canada)

6. M.C.P.A. (Membership of the College of Pathologists of Australia)

7. Diploma in Psychiatry (Mc Gill University) ( Montreal, Canada)

8. Diploma in Psychiatry (Edinburgh University)

9. Dr.P.H. of John Hopkins, Harward and California/Universities (USA)

10. M.R.C. Path (Lon) F.R.C. Path (London)

11. Facharzt Fuer Innera Frankheiten, (Specialist Internal Medicine) (West Germany)

12. Candidates of Sciences (Doctor of Philosophy) in Medicine Branch Plastic Surgery (Hungary) awarded by Hungarian Academy of Medical Science, Budapest.

13. Facharzt Fuer Kinderheikunde (Children Specialist) (West Germany)

14. M.A.M.S./M.N.A.M.S./D.N.B. qualification when granted on or after Ist June 1976 granted by National Board of Examination, New Delhi after due examination and fulfilling one year research experience.

15. FFR of U.K. by examination.

16. F.R.C.S. or M.R.C.P. of Royal Colleges of U.K.

17. M.Ch. (Orthopedics) (Liverpool)

18. Approved qualification from speciality Boards of U.S.A.

19. Ph.D. awarded by Supreme Attestation Commission (Moscow) granted to students sponsored by Medical Council of India or to other students fulfilling the minimum eligibility criteria for admission to undergraduate courses in India and admitted in the institutions of erstwhile U.S.S.R., recognised by the Medical Council of India, for undergraduate or postgraduate courses upto 1989.

Note: Other qualification will be evaluated by the Council as and when reference is received.

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Dear Funtoosh, Thatsthe reason for this petition. If you are interested, you can sign it.

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Myself having done Pg from India and having worked there... (MD and DNB)

I can tell you very plainly... the exams are very very different there...

Last time I had gone for the DNB practical... they asked me questions like what is cfos and c jun... which i thought was absolutely ridiculous for a practical exam...

I got a long case of OCD... with predominant obsessions... obsessions almost on the verge of being quite bizarre... he feels people are looking at him and calling him a eunuch... most of the times he realises they are not... and the ideas are absolutely wierd... but at times he lost insight... at times have picked up quarrels

They asked me... what is the role for a clinical psychologist... I said CBT... Rachmans model etc etc... They were not happy... They asked me again and again... and then suddenly I realised it was India.. and CLIPs actually did nothing but administer Rorschachs... Then they went on to ask me about the findings of ROR in OCD and Psychosis...

The they asked me questions about Victor Frankl's logotherapy... which I had no idea about..

Basically the examiners were going on an ego trip... especially when I told them I was currently in the UK... they had to convince themselves that they were better than me...

I found the exam quite useless from a practical point of view... I passed the stuff though... ( I would be more than happy if RCPsych recognises it... last time I asked Prof Bhugra..he said there are no plans)

From a practical point of view... a[highlight] person trained in the UK will find it really difficult to practice in India[/highlight]. Atleast a couple of my friends have come back because they could not...

I am not discouraging anyone... but thats plain reality...

If a person trained in UK is sound clinically and has a mentor, would he still find it difficult.

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Brainbox... If you have a mentor in India... and you are ready to do a year of training (work with some senior person) in India, it shud be fine...

Just to get a hang of stuff... and how things work...

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I dont think there will be a problem from a clinical perspective. I have personally known 1 or 2who have told me that the lifestyle can be difficult to get accustomed to . It is a 9-5 life here but we all know that tis different in India . You have to work very hard and sometimes be prepared to take things with a pinch of salt, especially governmental and ethical battles in your own mind as success can equate with some degree of forfeiting your ethics.

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and you will have to get used to the  caucus of the Indian psychiatric society...

with due respect to the society, it may take some time to get used to the megalomanic complexes of some of the topnotch members....

(which i guess you find everywhere... but the prevalence is slightly higher there when you compare here)

the membership may compensate a bit... because generally membership is fairly recieved there I guess... although you may get fed up of getting patronised by the 'senior' members...

and may have to take the heirarchial battle...

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