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FTSTA or staff grade

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Anyone has any idea whether a FTSTA is better or staff grade better?

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i was having a chat with my clinical tutor about the whole training in the future... my understanding is that there is still a debate as to how to organise the run through programme... apparently, there is one thought that people in runthrough programmes should be allowed to proceed till the end whether or not they complete their complete exams or not (equivalent to american system where you would complete the years and end up as either board certified or board eligible)... in which case, i think staff grade might be better...

there is another thought that you have to complete the assessments and the exams before you proceed higher up.... in which case, the trainee might lose the training number and the training number would go to another eligible candidate at that point.... which means if FTSTA trainees complete successfully, there is still a chance of grabbing the places later on....in which case FTSTA is better.....But, I am not sure what is going to be the stand of PMETB....

it would be worthwhile having a chat with the tutors in your trust and have a better understanding.

i hope this helps and i would lalso ike to know what is the understanding of others

best wishes

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I do not think the tutors really know well what is going on. Even when they have information , it keeps changing every few weeks if not few days.

thanks for the advice

regrads

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i am in same boat as you rejected my ftsta offer wihtout a thought but would consider st3.

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why did you think a staff grade is better?

at the end of the day a FTSTA is still a training job, educationally approved and with apotential for upgrading?

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I think this is an issue every person with FTSTA is thinking at the moment. :-?

No clinical tutor can predict what turn all this might take. ::)

I think it depends on what one's long term goals are-if you have not got membership a training job is always better coz it is a pre approved post.On the other hand you could get a staff grade post educationally approved but you would have to go abt it urself.

Also a staff grade is a permanent job and u could take the article 14 route.

A FTSTA is a one year job but with a chance of upgrade if you get the oppurtunity.......

The list goes on and on........ :o :o

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Ftsta is just a stand alone post for one year with no training number.Besides there will be extremely less st posts next year as majority would be taken up by current st docs.

staff grade is permanent job and there will be an opportunity to apply for st next year even though seats will be few.there is distinct possibilty that people who take ftsta might be unemployed next year as i feel that even staff grade posts would not be vacant.

this is my personal opinion and any comments would be welcome.

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You need a training post to be eligible for the new format exams in which case FTSTA will be advantageous.

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But you can still apply for educational approval for a staff grade post.

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FTSTA is okay if you have nothing to survive for one year. Otherwise, a sure way to be jobless in Aug. 08. Besides, there would be a huge competition for jobs by that time. Even worse than now. Can't even believe.....

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i dont really undestand where is the scope for doubt-always follow maslow! :- :)

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Come on guys, anyone have any further pearls of wisdom to share on whether FTSTA or staff grade s better?

Im in a real fix at the moment. Doing a staff grade job at the moment ( NHS locum with good chance of being made permanent) but also offered FTSTA ST3. What the hell do i do?

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Stick with the staff grade, if anything else comes up in the way on run through you can still apply for it but have the safety of your permanent post to fall back on. For me it would be a no brainer. Don't give up a permanent post for a temporary one.

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Petetong,

it really depends on your ambitions, priorities vs risk taking attitude.

eg.

If you want nothing less than CCT- take FTSTA-3. Next year, you may get ST-4, if not, you still can apply for staff grade post that may come up next year.

If job security is more important for you- stick to your Staff grade post, progress through article -14 and apply for consultant post; . enjoy 9-5 job plus family life after 5 pm. you can also apply for ST4 next year.

what i still find hard to figure out is, if taken st4 (or 1,2,3) this year, by the time st-6 is completed, what would be the job situation for those candidates? will some of them end up applying for staff grade post in 3-4 years from now having gained CCT (if there arent enough cons/sunconsultant posts) ? Interesting times ahead.

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If you want nothing less than CCT- take FTSTA-3. Next year, you may get ST-4, if not, you still can apply for staff grade post that may come up next year.

If job security is more important for you- stick to your Staff grade post, progress through article -14 and apply for consultant post; . enjoy 9-5 job plus family life after 5 pm. you can also apply for ST4 next year.

So why not continue in permanent staff grade post then. As far as my understanding goes- FTSTA- do the job for 1 year- and apply as everybody else in open competition for ST in 08- if u get in good for u- if not- well apply for staff grades- and hope u can get one!

Permanent staff grades- continue doing ur job as u r now- apply for ST posts as everybody else in open competition in 08, if u get one- good for u- if not- well continue in ur permanent job- so which seems better- permanent staff grade of course!

As far as I see, the only persons who should take an FTSTA post r those who r at risk of being unemployed, come August

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Petetong,

it really depends on your ambitions, priorities vs risk taking attitude.

eg.

If you want nothing less than CCT- take FTSTA-3. Next year, you may get ST-4, if not, you still can apply for staff grade post that may come up next year.

If job security is more important for you- stick to your Staff grade post, progress through article -14 and apply for consultant post; . enjoy 9-5 job plus family life after 5 pm. you can also apply for ST4 next year.

what i still find hard to figure out is, if taken st4 (or 1,2,3) this year, by the time st-6 is completed, what would be the job situation for those candidates? will some of them end up applying for staff grade post in 3-4 years from now having gained CCT (if there arent enough cons/sunconsultant posts) ? Interesting times ahead.

As if it's enough interesting time already  >:(

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i think ftst is a wiser decision than staff grade,

taking into consideration all the pros n cons

:)

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rajaraja,

Is it confirmed that there will be open competition for ST4 in 08? All st4 posts or just for the left over st4? I dont know.

I assume, competition will be for left over posts. I am assuming that FTSTA will have better chances than staff grades of getting ST4, becoz they are already in the system (MMC). The main purpose of MMC is 'show competency' and progress to next level (competition will be only amongst ST3 candidates). Whether ftsta will be included amongst them is anybodys guess.

possibilities are

a) ST3 + FTSTA-3 compete for ST4. Left over posts for open competition for SAS. OR

B) ST3 compete for ST4 - left over posts for open competition for ftsta+SAS.

(SAS= staff grade and associate specialists)

if a is true, ftsta is better than staff grade if you want cct.

if b is true, staff grade is better than ftsta.

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DKS, the gold guide clearly states that b is true and not a. It says that people who r in FTSTA r doing a stand alone 1 year job, and would not automatically be taken in to ST posts. After 1 year they have 3 choices to make- 1)Apply for ST in open competition 2) Apply for another FTSTA post- also in open competition 3) Apply for a career job- also in open competition. The only people who r guaranteed progression in ST, r those who already have ST- as long as they achieve competencies. Hence my reasoning- if u r already in a permanent staff grade post- don't leave it for a temporary 1 year post, and having to reapply all over again in 1 year's time. If u r going to be unemployed in Aug- then grab the FTSTA by all means

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Well said, rajaraja, cant agree more.

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Does the Gold Guide say anything about Staff Grades being allowed/ not beind allowed to apply for ST4 in 2008?

They might come up with a rule that only FTSTAs can apply for ST4.......

Who would be preferable for ST4......staff grade or FTSTA3?

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They might come up with anything. But there won't be lot of ST4 posts for competetion.

IF YOU HAVE A STAFF GRADE POST KEEP IT.

IN ANOTHER 3-4 YEARS TIME EVEN THE ST PEOPLE WILL START FIGHTING FOR A STAFF GRADE POST

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I am so confused about what I should do. I am in a permanent staff grade and have been offered FTSTA 3 ......and have also passed my exam this time. Should I gamble...and take the FTSTA????

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