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Damning report on MMC on Channel 4 news tonight

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Too little too late is the expression, I suppose...

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Some 6,000 junior doctors, whose training was paid for by the public, could be unemployed due to the Government's new training system.

They apply on-line for a placement but face an agonising wait to see whether a job exists and whereabouts it might be.

The deadline for applications was extended until today because of online registration problems - and many trainees are simply going abroad for work.

The Figures

30,000 people registered

2,000 from overseas

22,000 posts


6,000 without jobs

22% of the posts are FTSTA

£250,000*6,000 U.K trainees=£1.5 Billion of taxpayers money

Hear the Deputy CMO say

It's like any other profession why should they have the guarantee of a job , and where they like...

Of course the 6,000 he's talking about are the overseas doctors ......

So Channel 4 is wrong it isn't £1.5 Billion of taxpayers money ....

I get the distasteful sensation of being used ....like the victim of a psychopath... :P

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Those figures are sick!!!!! They told me a job for life. Bulls**t.

6000 of us will have to make a big Carbon Footprint on our way to work in other countries.

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I'll be making a big carbon footprint up someone's ar$e if I'm unemployed in August.

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dont worry folks u can all come to Ireland.

they havent met the european directive yet

the doctors are militant

their union works for them rather than for themselves

the pay is better than the Uk the average NCHD earns 120,000 euro according to Irish Press

and the people are lovely

;)

nicer than that idiot chief medical officer who appeared on Ch4 news to say we werent entitled to a job.. its reality

ok for him to say

until some epidemic dethrones him the sarcastic  toerag :-X

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When they say 2000 applications from abroad, I assume that doesnt mean the HSMP crew????

Of the remaining 28000, I am sure plenty of HSMP docs will get jobs, as the Deputy Chief Medical Officer says, thats the reality of life, nothing is certain. You cant assume you are gonna get a job. This applies to everyone, including me. I am under no illusions that I am gonna get a job, so we must all wait.

So everybody CHILL!!!

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did you not apply Fonz?

There is an option in personal details of the country you're from.

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When they say 2000 applications from abroad, I assume that doesnt mean the HSMP crew????

Of the remaining 28000, I am sure plenty of HSMP docs will get jobs, as the Deputy Chief Medical Officer says, thats the reality of life, nothing is certain. You cant assume you are gonna get a job. This applies to everyone, including me. I am under no illusions that I am gonna get a job, so we must all wait.

So everybody CHILL!!!

If the figures are true, an estimated 25% of junior docs would be unemployed by the end of this MMC madness. Although I agree panicking would not help matters, it should not prevent us from taking a stand on the issue (http://www.remedyuk.org/index.html)

Its also funny how they have discounted 2,000 applications from the equation, just because they were 'from abroad'...I wonder what that means for the future of overseas doctors in this country??

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I dont understand how Drs are going to be unemployed. They will be redeployed after all trusts still need to remain compliant with European WOrking time directives. lets not forget that

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Yes I did apply and yes i did see the wuestion about country.....

I am UK born and bred

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I dont understand how Drs are going to be unemployed. They will be redeployed after all trusts still need to remain compliant with European WOrking time directives. lets not forget that

In case you haven't noticed, there has been a 25-30% reduction in specialist training posts across the country, which have been replaced with GP placements & FTSTAs . Of the 22000 who would secure jobs, many would find themselves doing jobs they don't really fancy,or working 300 miles from home. The trusts would get away with having fewer docs as any shortfalls would be covered by SNPs and suchlike (since when have trusts started taking the EWTD seriously anyway??Mine certainly hasn't)

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The trusts would get away with having fewer docs as any shortfalls would be covered by SNPs and suchlike (since when have trusts started taking the EWTD seriously anyway??Mine certainly hasn't)

Yes but don't forget that trust will begin to suffer from rotas becoming untenable at a structural level. People will end up getting rebanded because of the reduction in numbers from their rotas, and end up getting a hefty supplement in their banding. These changes may paradoxically cost the NHS more to employ fewer doctors!

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When they say 2000 applications from abroad, I assume that doesnt mean the HSMP crew????

Of the remaining 28000, I am sure plenty of HSMP docs will get jobs, as the Deputy Chief Medical Officer says, thats the reality of life, nothing is certain. You cant assume you are gonna get a job. This applies to everyone, including me. I am under no illusions that I am gonna get a job, so we must all wait.

So everybody CHILL!!!

I thought the deputy chief medical officer came accross very badly - made me really angry. Of course medicine must be competitive, all of us would agree with that. But the problem that most of us have is that we are being shoved into a new system that we don't quite fit into, without concern for basic issues like staying where we got a mortgage last year, kids not having to move school etc. The goalposts are moving, especially for overseas doctors and we are expected to just deal with it, as if work is the only aspect of our lives.

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I thought the deputy chief medical officer came accross very badly - made me really angry

I couldn't agree more, I've never been confortable with MMC but that statement finally sealed it for me. Effectively what he said was that we should be thankful that the governement is giving us jobs and to stop moaning. I suppose it's easy for him as he trained in a time when there was a chronic shortage of Doctors and any old numpty could rise to the post of DCMO. I wonder how he would feel if we marched into his office right now and told him to move as his post has been relocated hundreds of miles away.

    Just goes to show how some people will sell out their own profession once they get a taste of political power. With Doctors like him around we don't stand a chance, they'll merrily send us down the road to hell to please their government masters.

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I think we need to open up our eyes to living in the real world. Nothing in life is guarunteed and a lot of us are going around assuming a job is our right just because we are doctors. Being a doctor is nothing like being in the corporate world where its dog eat dog. Ask any of your friends, who are not doctors, what life is like.

Just because you have a degree with MBChB doesnt give you devine right to employment. Sadly a lot of docs I come across dont hvae 'real life' experience. When you do, you'll realise how easy you have had it in the past few years.

Yes, I agree we all have financial commitments, but you always should plan ahead for the future. Don't get into a comfort zone, assuming everything is going to fall into your lap. Make investments, look at other avenues to explore financially......

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Sadly a lot of docs I come across dont hvae 'real life' experience.[highlight][/highlight]

I can't agree more with you Fonz. Most of what you have said is true. However, i was thinking, do doctors really get time to have real life experiences especially when they are in training? Their only aim will be to finish the training, no time/energy/knowledge to venture into another professional area. I have come across some people who have made a lot of money, but again by doing locums, havent come across anybody who made money from outside the profession.

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You are doing your colleagues down. I think we all accept that we don't have a divine right to a job. Having worked hard to get a MBBS and get through medical training so far should, however, earn us enough respect not to have to experience the mess that is MTAS.

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DKS, come on!!!

Its about having entreprenurial spirit. You have to make time. I am not gonna go into it, but I have managed to do lots of stuff outside work, which has set me up for a rainy day.

We arent always working, studying etc, thats poor excuse.

Buy property, open a business, look at other medical avenues of work. Its not hard.

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Joanne, I accept MTAS is a mess, instead of moaning about it why not do something about it. As docs we are great at moaning, but do naff all to find solutions to problems.

As one of my inspirational trainers once said, ' dont come to me with problems, come to me with problems and solutions'.

I for one will do my time in the NHS, and will prob aim to drop out in 15 years......

And as for respect???? Why??? because you spent an extra 2 years in medical school. You are taking in all the hype of being a doctor. How about PHD students, all the work they do, do they assume they will fall into a job, NO!!!!!

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I repeat, I don't think any of us have a divine right to a job. MTAS is a mess, that is a statement and not a moan. If you feel that you do not deserve respect for being a doctor, that's a pity. I do. Being a doctor is about a lot more than 2 years at medical school. It also does not exclude others from deserving respect for their work or achievements.

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