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but dougal we wont be allowed to sit the new exam will we?

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Oh gosh! another change!

HSMP, MMC now College exams, I wonder what the next change shall be.

I have looked at it carefully, and it seems having passed Part 1 in Autumn 2006, the earliest I can write Paper 3 is Autumn 2008 and then do the OSCEs. I am eligible for old Part 2 in Spring 2008, however only exams being conducted then are Paper 1 and Paper 2. This creates another delay in obtaining MRCPsych. I wish I listened to my parents to do Law instead of Medicine.

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I like the concept of 'banking' the third paper. At present, if you fail the clinicals for part 2, you have to appear for both papers.

Also, it seems that those who appeared for part 1 and did not clear part 2 can be integrated into the new system...

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This is confusing. In Spring 2008 exams available are Paper 1, Paper 2 and OSCE(reduced format of 12 linked stations). However, Paper 3 will only start in Autumn 2008. It also says that OSCEs can only be done after Paper 3. Who are the people to do OSCEs in Spring 2008? Will people do OSCEs then wait and do Paper 3 in Autumn 2008?

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Sounds like a load of rubbish. Whilst the new way to examine sounds less stressful (at least at first glance), there will be further stress added to the transitional candidates who will feel like guinea pigs.

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It sounds to me like they are creating a breed of extended SHO's in the name of ST. It indermines the specialty training.

The old way gave 3 yrs for the trainee to learn the specialty after the exams- i mean old age / C&A / Psychotherapy / Forensic / GA / LD. This one makes the trainee learn critical appraisal much later and still keep working on exams which is general - so when does a trainee get to work on higher specialty??

How on earth are they going train people in higher specialties??

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Any ideas about trainees who enter ST3 and complete Part 2 in 2oo7? like me, do i have to sit the new format? ::)

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Do we know what happens to those who have completed Psych rotation ( with no part 1) and are now staff grades, will they be allowed to sit these new exams?

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It's all driven by economics Matie!!!

More papers= more exam fee.

Fail Clinical three times and pay three times.

Just imagine paying £500 about 4 times, i.e. if you pass all the exams in the first attempt.

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About 60 odd % pass the old style part II clinicals. Will this apply to OSCE's which traditionally have a higher pass rate? Do people need the MRCPsych to progress in their careers.

A lot of people have said that the new exam is fairer...does that mean easier???

I have to say that having one OSCE/clinical exam in what is 'purely' a communicative speciality is farcical. You are only as good as your training and this sounds like a shambles. Does anyone agree?

Yes, the Part II clinical was stressful and may have resulted in questionable pass/fail decisions, but I don't see how an OSCE will select out weaker candidates. I also think that the exams may delay/undermine more specialist training.

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important

Let us write to college if somebody has completed 30 months training they should be allow to sit in part-1 or part-2 if they don't have because of this new system.

Does anybody has got any idea how to proceed this process.

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The Royal College may keep the pass rate - the same as before. I suspect they may be forced to tailor the pass rate depending on how many candidates they need with MRCPsych. (If it still remains as a requirement!)

But, Maverick's second point is more important - the system proposed is more relevant to one specialty training. it undermines the small specialties. (Forensic, C&A etc)

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Can Staff grades who completed psych rotation and with Part 1 br able to sit for the new format?

Have checked the Royal college website, theya re silent about it

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::) I'm taking the forth-coming exam (part 2). The College wrote me recently to confirm my acceptance. One of the interesting new things ( my assumption) they said about the exam is that you have to pass two of the papers and achieve an acceptable mark or standard ( my word) in the other. Having tried this exam several times, that statement seems like a new thinking from the College. Am I right? Does that mean they want more people to pass?

Meanwhile, have the College reacted in any shape or form regarding the fiasco surrounding the ST applications and MTAS? We've heard from the Surgeons in the West Midlands!

Happy to get and share your views and opinions.

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my understanding was that even staff grades can take the paper untill 2010. after that only ST.

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::) I yesterday ran into a doctor colleague ( a staff grade doctor ) who told me there are radical changes regarding future psychiatric training. He could not elaborate further as he was very pressed for time. However, he hinted that the information came out about few days ago.

Does anybody know what he was hinting at? Has there been any recent statement or pronouncement from our college? Maybe I'm still in the dark ages!

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Rumours are not necessarily the best judge of outcome. There had been a whole lot of speculation for ages about a MRCPsych Part III sending a whole lot of people into a frenzy of panic especially SpRs extemly anxious about another exam. Now clearly there is no such thing but rather even the old idea of MRCPsych Part I and II are being consigned to history.

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