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Paper 3: What are you actually revising?

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Hello,

What are people actually revising for paper 3? I ask because although the RCPsych website lists the specialist topics for this paper, it does not appear to cover general adult. Some of the revision courses I've seen are not going to cover schizophrenia/mood disorders at all - while the Manchester Course timetable has a whole morning of GA stuff. I emailed the college today and got a one line reply:

'Thank you for your email. The Paper II exam will cover General Adult. ' which didn't really answer my question directly.

Are you going into the exam without looking at general adult topics?

:-?

Thanks!

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We are clearly in a difficult position. I will be studying for GA but with the announcement that it will not be featured I can not see where the impetus will come from to motivate me. In fact the whole uncertainty element to this exam is proving difficult for such a bone-idle gentlemen as myself to navigate.

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. . . hence why I procrastinate so much adding posts which don't need added! :lol:

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toms can you check the college web it appeared that the general adult topic has been added. college is confussed

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Well I never - you're right!

I sent them another email today to ask them to explain this from an APT paper in July:

Paper 3 will contain complex questions assessing clinical

specialties (including general adult psychiatry as a

specialty)

I haven't received a reply yet, but the website has just changed to include General Adult in their list of topics:

http://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/exams/about/mrcpsychpaperiii.aspx

Does anyone else get the sense that they're making this up as they go along?

::)

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Hell & D********N

I am utterly flummoxed. Cannot make any sense. Also I notice Gen Adult is separate from clinical topics. I was actually going to write to Dr Blackwood why a whole morning is devoted to Schizophrenia!!!!in Manchester course i think this will be the funniest exam in Royal Colege history.Nobody seems to have the foggiest either about the topics or the questions. I was also expecting to see some sample questions on the college website but no trace of that still.

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There seems to be a discrepancy between the two documents on royal college website re paper 3. One document 'Content of the new MRCPsych examination on http://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/exams/newassessmentprogramme2008.aspx does not mention General Adult whereas other page on http://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/exams/about/mrcpsychpaperiii.aspx does include General Adult. I have emailed college to enquire about the same. General Adult is in Paper 1 and 2, there is no point in making us revise all that for paper 3 as well.

So far as the preparation is concerned, they can change the style of questions but the core content would remain the same. I think even the old Manchester course would still be very much relevant. So far as the EMIs are concerned, Albert Michael's 1001 EMQs seems good.

They have put the sample questions for paper 1. Hopefully paper 3 should follow soon.

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Join the club of confusion....

Manchester course format does not seem changed at all..Don't know what other courses want to do .

Now how can we have an exit exam excluding general adult anyway? Several topics incl. schizophrenia are the bread and butter of psychiatry!

I am just studying the old curriculum material for now. Hows everybody else revising?

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The inclusion of general adult (if that is what the Royal College intends - they still haven't replied to my email) would suggest that the new Paper 3 will cover more or less the same topics as the old Part 2 written - albeit in a different format. I'm just working through Part 2 revision notes until the College decide to tell us otherwise.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry at the moment!

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Did anybody expect better from the college?

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It would be a brave person who walked into the Paper 3 exam hall without having revised general adult, I think!

I'm going to do part 2 minus neuroanatomy, genetics, psychology, pharmacology and other pure basic sciences, but will make sure I look at bits they could ask from a clinical point of view, cos I'm sure they'll find a way to chuck it in somehow. Eg psychology- not included, but psychotherapy is, and they'll expect psychology within that, I'd guess. Also pharmacology- not covered as a subject, but if they're asking about clinical subjects, you can't really avoid it.

Oh, and critical appraisal. And more critical appraisal. (Even economic analysis). Just in case.

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Ros, by the time you touch on Pharm, Psych, GA and a few more, you'v already covered 80% of part 2. Might as well go all the way ::)

I'm basing my hope on getting registered for a revision course and hoping atleast 40% of sample questions will be covered there.

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I fully agree with Ros, that is how we need to start preparing before anybody gets any clear idea. I think there shouldn't have been any confusion about GA, can anyone tell me what is left in Forensic or Liaison Psychiatry, if we subtract GA completely from them? GA is obviously the core of psychiatry, and you just can't avoid psychopathology.

And i suppose that it is the secretaries in RCPysch who responds to emails, who might be good about whats written in black and white, but has no idea about the meanings and subject itself.

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Hi guys

I noticed, and thought, exactly the same thing as the rest of you. I decided to go Route 1A, so I phoned up the college and spoke to Fauzan whatever herself. She said that, 'General Adult will be covered in Paper III.'

There ya go, from the horse's mouth.

good luck all

asim

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I think they could ask any questions and would be able to substantiate under part 3 component later (Royal College), Be prepared for anything.

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i think as long as we know our subject we will be alright what ever the questions and they can't create a whole new set of questions in a few months so revising old papers is going to be good too

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Join the club of confusion....

[highlight]Manchester course format does not seem changed at all.[/highlight].Don't know what other courses want to do .

Now how can we have an exit exam excluding general adult anyway? Several topics incl. schizophrenia are the bread and butter of psychiatry!

I am just studying the old curriculum material for now. Hows everybody else revising?

Hopefully there will be BOFs !!!!

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Now added to the college website.

http://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/exams/about/mrcpsychpaperiii.aspx

MRCPsych Paper III

The MRCPsych Paper III will be 3 hours long, containing 200 questions. The paper will include both ‘best answer 1 of 5’ style MCQs and EMIs. The Clinical Topics will be approximately two thirds of the paper. The Critical Review component will make up approximately one third of the paper.

Research methods

Evidence based practice

Statistics

Critical Appraisal

General Adult

Clinical Topics

Liaison

Forensic

Addiction

Child and adolescent

Psychotherapy

Learning disability

Rehabilitation

Old age psychiatry

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1/3 critical appraisal! Chuffin hell... :o

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I know, Thats roughly 66 questions on CP.

Still not clear if there will be a paper to answer the MCQs on or just blank questions/ EMIS.

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I emailed the college a few days ago after I discovered the substantial 'extra' topic added to the exam syllabus, asking if they have got any other 'extra' topics they are planning to slip in at the last minute. I asked specifically about psychopharmacology and psychology, so we'll see what they reply. No doubt something enlightening along the lines of 'The paper III syllabus is on the website'.

With the current climate of job upheaval and uncertainty (again), and the necessity of the MRCPsych to progress to ST4, it's a pretty poor show from the college to add to the confusion by not being more explicit about the exam !

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What are people studying Rehabilitation psychiatry from? I dont think it was a separate topic for the old part 2?

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Has anyone else found it really hard to find the time to even START revising? Have done v little so far and v anxious! Would feel better if I knew others were in the same boat....

ps I don't have a clue what to revise for rehabilitation psych!

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